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Old 16-12-2010, 02:15 AM
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every human has the right for divine sonship.
you spiritual understanding is very bookish.

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And from where have you formed a basis for this conclusion?
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Old 16-12-2010, 02:24 AM
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And from where have you formed a basis for this conclusion?


from your previous post when you said a non christian has no right to consider himself a child of god.
this is tribal theology.
you believed that only certain group of people are spiritually privileged.
this doctrine is called exclusivism.
this is actually despicable to those outside the circle of the chosen ones.

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Old 16-12-2010, 02:26 AM
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from your previous post when you said a non christian has no right to consider himself a child of god.
this is tribal theology.
you believed that only certain group of people are spiritually privileged.
this doctrine is called exclusivism.
this is actually despicable to those outside the circle of the chosen ones.

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Well don't call me a people pleaser. Time is up, I'm off to the airport.
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Old 16-12-2010, 02:30 AM
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Christ is God Himself, eternal God incarnate, He is still different than that of the Father. As a man and as man's representative the Son of Man, Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form. Jesus was dependent on the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, ect. The God of the Son because He is the Son of God doesn't imply inferiority only differences in roles. The Son of God is only a difference in roles than the Father; however, none of us are the Father as much as we are not the Son of God.
No I don't agree with you at all, we are all ONE in GOD, we are all the SONS of GOD, don't believe the lie that you ain't, this is what true sin or the anti-Christ is. To deny your true Divinity is to deny your true SELF as the Christ, this is the anti-Christ.
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Old 16-12-2010, 02:38 AM
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No I don't agree with you at all, we are all ONE in GOD, we are all the SONS of GOD, don't believe the lie that you ain't, this is what true sin or the anti-Christ is. To deny your true Divinity is to deny your true SELF as the Christ, this is the anti-Christ.
i agree...
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Old 16-12-2010, 02:39 AM
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Well don't call me a people pleaser. Time is up, I'm off to the airport.
being not a people pleaser is not a spiritual virtue.
lots of anti social non people pleaser out there.

it's just a personality whereas your conviction is non negotiable,
very fixated and unable to adapt to other spiritual concepts of the same meanings.

your understanding is not actually wrong.
trinity is one of the best metaphysical description of reality imho.
perhaps it just needed an underlying basis (hupostasis) beneath your "textbook"understanding.

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Old 16-12-2010, 03:36 AM
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We are all sons and daughters of God. We are made in his image. What was the difference between Jesus and all the past prophets who experienced this divine nature aka: Christ Consciousness, aka: Divine Love? They were channels of the Spirit of Christ and bringing that awareness to the world. Like Moses, Buddha, Abraham.

But Jesus was the full embodiment of the spirit, mind, and body of Christ. He was one and the same with the Christ Consciousness. No other person(s) had this since the days of Adam (first divine/human race before the Fall). He was bestowed with the grace and divinity of God the "Christhood". He was the chosen one. John the Baptist could not be the Christ for he increased as Elijah and worked out his karma through his beheading. Jesus was the purest soul that ever lived. He was chosen by God to be "The Christ".

1. Jesus was the Man, the Pattern, the Elder Brother, the soul who exemplified the divinity of God, a fully realized son of God.

2. Christ is the spirit, the messenger, the power, the consciousness, the eternal God the Son.

These two were one and the same in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.

The son of man refers to the body-consciousness, the human nature which must be risen up to God.

The Son of God refers to the divine-consciousness that dwells within all of us, waiting to be awakened

I will say that the Roman Catholic Belief comes true when they refer to the uniqueness of Jesus. The fact that not until Jesus came was the Christ Consciousness (God the Son) fully incarnate in the earth so we could all learn to become the same Christ in our experiences.

So after reading all of this and from these conclusions-

Jesus is God.
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Old 16-12-2010, 03:41 AM
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You're right, because if you are not a Christian you have no right to consider yourself a son or a child of God.

Every living soul, is precious to Our Holy Father.

Every soul that the Father creates, is His child.

Whether that soul is aware of his Creator, or completely oblivious.

The Father's Love shines on everyone.

Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Buddhist/Atheist/.....................everyone. :)

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Old 16-12-2010, 03:56 AM
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We are all sons and daughters of God. We are made in his image. What was the difference between Jesus and all the past prophets who experienced this divine nature aka: Christ Consciousness, aka: Divine Love? They were channels of the Spirit of Christ and bringing that awareness to the world. Like Moses, Buddha, Abraham.

But Jesus was the full embodiment of the spirit, mind, and body of Christ. He was one and the same with the Christ Consciousness. No other person(s) had this since the days of Adam (first divine/human race before the Fall). He was bestowed with the grace and divinity of God the "Christhood". He was the chosen one. John the Baptist could not be the Christ for he increased as Elijah and worked out his karma through his beheading. Jesus was the purest soul that ever lived. He was chosen by God to be "The Christ".

1. Jesus was the Man, the Pattern, the Elder Brother, the soul who exemplified the divinity of God, a fully realized son of God.
2. Christ is the spirit, the messenger, the power, the consciousness, the eternal God the Son.
These two were one and the same in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.
The son of man refers to the body-consciousness, the human nature which must be risen up to God.
The Son of God refers to the divine-consciousness that dwells within all of us, waiting to be awakened
I will say that the Roman Catholic Belief comes true when they refer to the uniqueness of Jesus. The fact that not until Jesus came was the Christ Consciousness (God the Son) fully incarnate in the earth so we could all learn to become the same Christ in our experiences.
So after reading all of this and from these conclusions-
Jesus is God.
Amilius.
Jesus is not God.

After reading everyone's posts here, it's amazing to sit back, and see how prevalent this belief is. Despite Jesus's words, to the contrary.
God, is God alone.
Jesus stipulates this as a fact.
The Father, has created an infinite Universe. With countless numbers of stars.

Do you think, that such a Being, would need to come down to our level?
A Being capable of Creating the entire Universe. Just picture how much energy is needed to create our sun, in this galaxy?
Do you have any idea how many sun's there are, in the Universe?
Do you truly believe, that a Being with that kind of power, would feel any need to come down to our level?
I can quote another passage from this book to support my viewpoint. But for now, I just want all of us to use our "common sense".
Exercise our own faculties.
Jesus, was God's son, because he was the FIRST to receive His Divine Substance, in all It's Fullness, while in the flesh. The first of his kind. Jesus became the Christ, when God's Divine Substance, filled his soul, making him Divine.
If Jesus was God, do you think he would need to go through a process to receive his own Substance?

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Old 16-12-2010, 04:24 AM
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the birth of jesus was an awesome cosmic event .
it depicted the entry of the Creator into his creation.
a new beginning of a long process of understanding our nature and of existence.

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