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04-02-2016, 09:00 AM
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The next step: science and consciousness
It has become apparent from a purely logical and intellectual standpoint that there is no way of asserting a universe that exists prior to, or apart from, consciousness.
There have been whispers of this in the pure sciences since the beginning of QM, and it has been long standing philosophy, while also appearing regularly in literature and poetry.
Now, since our scientific measures have become extraordinarily accurate, but we have not found any actual matter, we inevitably close in on the point where observation itself seems to be the fundamental substance.
The future demands an understanding of consciousness, so this is increasingly becoming a serious philosophical issue. We have reached a point in the sciences where the notion of matter has become completely immaterial, mysterious, untouchable, and in fact, all indicators seem to indicate that the universe does not exist as something apart from the measurement! It can only be accounted for by conscious experiences which our incredibly accurate measurements can not substantiate.
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04-02-2016, 09:33 AM
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hey Gem.
i had written a nice debunking of your premise, but the system erased it.
live long and prosper,
H:O:R:A:C:E
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04-02-2016, 09:21 PM
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I think that before we can unlock the mysteries of the universe we need to answer the age old questions of 'Who are We?' and 'Where do We come from?'
Consciousness is just a part of the question,and the answer.
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05-02-2016, 01:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E
hey Gem.
i had written a nice debunking of your premise, but the system erased it.
live long and prosper,
H:O:R:A:C:E
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Too bad. I would have enjoyed debunking your debunking.
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05-02-2016, 01:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ian77
I think that before we can unlock the mysteries of the universe we need to answer the age old questions of 'Who are We?' and 'Where do We come from?'
Consciousness is just a part of the question,and the answer.
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Yes indeedy Bob. We might presume that the inherent nature of our being is the substance of the universe, seeing that we are universal phenomena.
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05-02-2016, 10:13 PM
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We not universal phenomena.The universe is the external phenomena of nature-We are the intelligent universe within ourselves.The external universe is a dream world in which we periodically exist in these physical bodies.
The universe is composed of units which are conscious,but only conscious of their functions.
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06-02-2016, 06:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gem
It has become apparent from a purely logical and intellectual standpoint that there is no way of asserting a universe that exists prior to, or apart from, consciousness.
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If consciousness was the only factor to consider then why aren't we living in relation-to a far more fluid environment? If consciousness created thought, which then created things, then such thoughts would have had to been stable for billions of years. We have planets and stars and rocks and ocean waves that have remained steadily in motion well before our time.
It is true that there is no physical matter, in quite the way that our senses suggest. But there is something that's happening that predates our current participation. We can certainly bet that our 'conscious' mind didn't come-up with this body, or come-up with the unlimited details that compose our surroundings. If consciousness is the key to all that we see, then there is still much to know about consciousness that's likely beyond current reach.
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06-02-2016, 07:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ian77
We not universal phenomena.The universe is the external phenomena of nature-We are the intelligent universe within ourselves.The external universe is a dream world in which we periodically exist in these physical bodies.
The universe is composed of units which are conscious,but only conscious of their functions.
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I go back to the begining of QM where it's recognised founder, Max Planck, made declarations about the fundamentals of matter:
I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness (Planck, 1931).
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There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter (Planck, 1944).
Source: Wikiquote
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06-02-2016, 08:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gem
It has become apparent from a purely logical and intellectual standpoint that there is no way of asserting a universe that exists prior to, or apart from, consciousness.
There have been whispers of this in the pure sciences since the beginning of QM, and it has been long standing philosophy, while also appearing regularly in literature and poetry.
Now, since our scientific measures have become extraordinarily accurate, but we have not found any actual matter, we inevitably close in on the point where observation itself seems to be the fundamental substance.
The future demands an understanding of consciousness, so this is increasingly becoming a serious philosophical issue. We have reached a point in the sciences where the notion of matter has become completely immaterial, mysterious, untouchable, and in fact, all indicators seem to indicate that the universe does not exist as something apart from the measurement! It can only be accounted for by conscious experiences which our incredibly accurate measurements can not substantiate.
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Having written what you have written about the universe, one may ask if you "Know Yourself".
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06-02-2016, 11:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gem
I go back to the begining of QM where it's recognised founder, Max Planck, made declarations about the fundamentals of matter:
I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness (Planck, 1931).
And later
There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter (Planck, 1944).
Source: Wikiquote
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isn't it something like gravity or electromagnetism that's at work inside the atom??
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