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Old 15-12-2018, 12:00 PM
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Receptivity

There are no formulas that can bring about the felt-sense realisation of no-separation/Oneness. But what seems to be reported in many cases of this shift is that when conditions (in the story of me) thrust us to the outer edge of our habituated tendencies of mind (this could occur by various means such as suffering, trauma, existential crisis… also, meditation, inquiry/koan, absorption etc.) the veil of consensual reality can lose its hold and in this psychological vacuum another perception can arise.

So it’s clear to most that, to some degree, certain conditions need to prevail in order for this shift to occur. The above ‘means’ from meditation and inquiry to suffering and crisis all serve to bring the nervous system/consciousness into a state of receptivity or openness*.

In contrast to this, paths, practices and rituals which promote becoming, overcoming, striving, improvement, perfection and purification, largely lock the organism into dualistic and subtly egoic states of mind and hamper the simple shock of ever-fresh receptivity.

Of course, eventually paths of purification, perfection, abstinence, rigorous practice and ritual etc. may well bring the body-mind to a state of desperation where there will be a giving-up and in that moment of crisis receptivity may start to dawn. In other words, these paths can act as the long way round - an unnecessary and often painful diversion away from this which is always already the case.





* To acknowledge this does not in any way violate the principle of no-separation since none of this entails an actual separate self (it can’t because there isn’t one and there never was.) It’s only and always Source at play (so to speak.) The play of receptivity is often (but not always) a mechanism within the story which arises correlative to the delusion of separation falling away.
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Old 15-12-2018, 12:34 PM
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In my view, no extreme measures are needed to establish divine connect, to experience oneness as in our consciousness becoming one with the oneness. The only constraint seems to be our fixation with self serving attachments, it’s fears & desires. If we voluntarily choose to shift our attention inwards, in lived reality, then that is all that is needed. In other words, undoing our conditioning is the only step needed. Resting fragmented thought and being still ...

Enhancing Receptivity

Receptivity
For connectivity
With what else, the source
Of course!
Requires attention shift
To uplift
Intuitive thought tendency
Closer to the divine frequency
Meaning Satvik
Instead of Rajasic
Or we may say, internalisation
Rather than egoic externalisation
In innocence
Without pretence
In thought, word & deed
Living by need, not greed
No effort is needed
For conscience to be heeded
If we so choicelessly choose
Without any excuse
Voluntarily
Permanently
Once negativity is erased
We will be wondrously amazed
To see that our magnetisation
Draws in the divine resonation
Automatically
Effortlessly
Making us one with oneness
In meditational stillness

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Old 16-12-2018, 11:30 AM
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In my view, no extreme measures are needed to establish divine connect, to experience oneness as in our consciousness becoming one with the oneness. The only constraint seems to be our fixation with self serving attachments, it’s fears & desires. If we voluntarily choose to shift our attention inwards, in lived reality, then that is all that is needed. In other words, undoing our conditioning is the only step needed. Resting fragmented thought and being still ...

Enhancing Receptivity

Receptivity
For connectivity
With what else, the source
Of course!
Requires attention shift
To uplift
Intuitive thought tendency
Closer to the divine frequency
Meaning Satvik
Instead of Rajasic
Or we may say, internalisation
Rather than egoic externalisation
In innocence
Without pretence
In thought, word & deed
Living by need, not greed
No effort is needed
For conscience to be heeded
If we so choicelessly choose
Without any excuse
Voluntarily
Permanently
Once negativity is erased
We will be wondrously amazed
To see that our magnetisation
Draws in the divine resonation
Automatically
Effortlessly
Making us one with oneness
In meditational stillness

***

Hello Unseeking Seeker

Nice poem.

So I’ve referenced two views here. Receptivity contrasted with Purification.

Receptivity is all about being open to what is - this entails the ‘me’ getting out of the way.

Purification is about working on me in order to strip away layers of conditioning etc. By stealth this keeps the ‘me’ in the center of things. The mind loves this.

As I see it this purification approach amounts to putting the horse before the cart. If in simple receptivity the radiance of Being can be seen to shine as our essential nature, to different degrees, psychological fear and egoic desire will effortlessly start to recede. But habits of mind are powerful and this can take time - possibly a lifetime (just the one.)

Meanwhile, right now it can be seen clearly and with a certain amount of relief and joy that our fears and desires, our bad habits and inclinations are nothing other than the creative play of Source. You don’t have to be free of conditioning (as if that were even possible) to inhabit your true nature.

You know, there is ONLY Source. It’s THIS… this that’s going on… however it appears… yes, THIS… right now - as it is. When this dawns the separation delusion loses its footing and the spiritual materialism can come to an end.
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Old 16-12-2018, 11:52 AM
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Hello Unseeking Seeker

Nice poem.

So I’ve referenced two views here. Receptivity contrasted with Purification.

Receptivity is all about being open to what is - this entails the ‘me’ getting out of the way.

Purification is about working on me in order to strip away layers of conditioning etc. By stealth this keeps the ‘me’ in the center of things. The mind loves this.

As I see it this purification approach amounts to putting the horse before the cart. If in simple receptivity the radiance of Being can be seen to shine as our essential nature, to different degrees, psychological fear and egoic desire will effortlessly start to recede. But habits of mind are powerful and this can take time - possibly a lifetime (just the one.)

Meanwhile, right now it can be seen clearly and with a certain amount of relief and joy that our fears and desires, our bad habits and inclinations are nothing other than the creative play of Source. You don’t have to be free of conditioning (as if that were even possible) to inhabit your true nature.

You know, there is ONLY Source. It’s THIS… this that’s going on… however it appears… yes, THIS… right now - as it is. When this dawns the separation delusion loses its footing and the spiritual materialism can come to an end.

***

Thanks for the insight!

Perhaps the journey of each being different, what I realised in as life experience is that the consciousness shift requires to be internalised through a voluntary action in thought, word & deed in erasing negativity. Only then is space made available within us to magnetically connect to the Universe. I’d say receptivity and inner cleansing are synonymous for tuning in to the divine energy.

Rephrased, what is our reflex response? Or the vibrational frequency we choose to engage in during our waking state? Unless we choose to prioritise the higher frequency as an intuitive reflex ... well ... we can assess where our fulcrum is. The ‘me getting out of the way’ you allude to ... how may it be accomplished unless we erase what the ‘me’ is addicted to in the self serving domain?

Of course, some may be so blessed to be able to cognise and merge in the Oneness with their consciousness being on an ‘as is where is basis’ but as I said, each journey is different ... that’s the beauty!

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Old 16-12-2018, 12:58 PM
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In my heart, I feel no difference now between "being receptive" and "surrendering who I am/think I am"... whatever....One usually leads me straight into the other.

People hold back for many reasons, but I have found out that "because my neighbour might hear me and call 000" wasn't the least of them for me, so if the weather is amicable, strip off naked and go running through the woods like it's the first time you ever saw a tree (because it most probably WILL be)..and "squealing/moaning with spiritual delight" can't be taken the wrong way, because the pleasure is much greater than the physical sensation...even though the physical body likes this energy too.
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Old 16-12-2018, 06:57 PM
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Thanks for the insight!

Perhaps the journey of each being different, what I realised in as life experience is that the consciousness shift requires to be internalised through a voluntary action in thought, word & deed in erasing negativity. Only then is space made available within us to magnetically connect to the Universe. I’d say receptivity and inner cleansing are synonymous for tuning in to the divine energy.

Rephrased, what is our reflex response? Or the vibrational frequency we choose to engage in during our waking state? Unless we choose to prioritise the higher frequency as an intuitive reflex ... well ... we can assess where our fulcrum is. The ‘me getting out of the way’ you allude to ... how may it be accomplished unless we erase what the ‘me’ is addicted to in the self serving domain?

Of course, some may be so blessed to be able to cognise and merge in the Oneness with their consciousness being on an ‘as is where is basis’ but as I said, each journey is different ... that’s the beauty!

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Thanks Unseeking Seeker

What really distinguishes purification from receptivity (as I envision them) is that one is concerned with becoming while the other is about the seeing of that which is already the case - but yes, there can be some crossover here. And yes, each journey is unique.
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Old 16-12-2018, 07:02 PM
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In my heart, I feel no difference now between "being receptive" and "surrendering who I am/think I am"... whatever....One usually leads me straight into the other.

People hold back for many reasons, but I have found out that "because my neighbour might hear me and call 000" wasn't the least of them for me, so if the weather is amicable, strip off naked and go running through the woods like it's the first time you ever saw a tree (because it most probably WILL be)..and "squealing/moaning with spiritual delight" can't be taken the wrong way, because the pleasure is much greater than the physical sensation...even though the physical body likes this energy too.

Thanks Shivani. I’m not sure that this is the kind of stripping away of layers that progressive paths have in mind - but hey, more power to you.
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There are no formulas that can bring about the felt-sense realisation of no-separation/Oneness. But what seems to be reported in many cases of this shift is that when conditions (in the story of me) thrust us to the outer edge of our habituated tendencies of mind (this could occur by various means such as suffering, trauma, existential crisis… also, meditation, inquiry/koan, absorption etc.) the veil of consensual reality can lose its hold and in this psychological vacuum another perception can arise.

So it’s clear to most that, to some degree, certain conditions need to prevail in order for this shift to occur. The above ‘means’ from meditation and inquiry to suffering and crisis all serve to bring the nervous system/consciousness into a state of receptivity or openness*.

In contrast to this, paths, practices and rituals which promote becoming, overcoming, striving, improvement, perfection and purification, largely lock the organism into dualistic and subtly egoic states of mind and hamper the simple shock of ever-fresh receptivity.

Of course, eventually paths of purification, perfection, abstinence, rigorous practice and ritual etc. may well bring the body-mind to a state of desperation where there will be a giving-up and in that moment of crisis receptivity may start to dawn. In other words, these paths can act as the long way round - an unnecessary and often painful diversion away from this which is always already the case.





* To acknowledge this does not in any way violate the principle of no-separation since none of this entails an actual separate self (it can’t because there isn’t one and there never was.) It’s only and always Source at play (so to speak.) The play of receptivity is often (but not always) a mechanism within the story which arises correlative to the delusion of separation falling away.

Beautifully written.
While reading your post, I am reminded of a quotation:

When the student is ready, the teacher appears
When the student is truly ready the teacher disappears” …… Lao Tzu


When is the receptivity at peak?
When the mind is empty or when the mind is extremely focused??

My teacher would often ask – “Did you choose to become a Seeker or the Seeking happened?”
Whether a seeker likes or not he would be following the 7 steps.

1. Shravan: (Listening) In olden times teaching used to happen by the said words. The teacher used to address the students verbally as written notes were not available. Today listening and reading may be considered as the first step.
2. Smaran: (Remembering) The students would memorize the teaching and recite from memory.
3. Manan: (Thinking) Going over and over again, clarifying internal doubts.
4. Nidhidhyasana: (Deep Contemplation) This is a very important step where the student starts seeking answers to the questions generated by his mind and or others.
5. Abhyas:(Intense concentration) Here the seeker goes through a phase where he is searching the deep corners of his heart for that “Understanding”
6. Anubhav: (Experience) This is the “THAT” moment of impersonal transcendental experience – “Sakshatkar” - where there no Me to experience the oneness.
7. Anubhuti: (Deliverance) The seeker has crossed over the dualism of a “me” and the “other” and remains in the impersonal state – A true sage

When the seeking happens, the seeker goes through these steps thinking that he is diligently, doing his sadhana, following practices, nearing to his goal post. (Till the 5th step the seeker is in duality)

When we say “All that is is THAT” then WHO is to decide at what stage the seeker is. Whether the seeker is ready, receptive, ripe for the jump or not?

It must be “THAT” – only the Source….. Namaskar
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:11 PM
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Thanks Shivani. I’m not sure that this is the kind of stripping away of layers that progressive paths have in mind - but hey, more power to you.

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When we say “All that is is THAT” then WHO is to decide at what stage the seeker is. Whether the seeker is ready, receptive, ripe for the jump or not?

It must be “THAT” – only the Source….. Namaskar

Thanks for the comments Uday.

Yes! Source appearing as seeking. Source appearing as confusion. Source appearing as paths of purification... or not. And Source appearing as finding. Except there is no finder - there is only THIS spontaneously presenting - giving rise to ALL that manifests.

How that is then consolidated in the (play of the) body-mind-system is another matter - but in this (THIS) felt-sense realisation, further straining would be a form of madness akin to grabbing your ankles in order to lift yourself off the ground.
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