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Old 08-07-2020, 07:25 PM
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Terrible fear that I AM today. I pray that it will pass.



What you hold in mind comes to life irrespective of your preferences....
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Old 11-07-2020, 09:01 AM
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I realise now - in my 50's - that the whole I Am thing is where my life went wrong. I chickened out of I Am and settled for 'we are' and 'God is'. This did not work. Everybody needs their own 'I Am' and now I need mine.
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It is a form of existentialism. The 'unbearable lightness of being'.....

Existence is tough. It is scary. If I call myself God then will I make it worse?

Why would you call yourself God?
You can be your own I without your I being God...
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Old 11-07-2020, 10:07 AM
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Why would you call yourself God?
You can be your own I without your I being God...

So if I am not God then who am I? Who is the deciding factor in my life? Complete autonomy implies that I am my own master including my own God.
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Old 11-07-2020, 02:48 PM
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So if I am not God then who am I? Who is the deciding factor in my life? Complete autonomy implies that I am my own master including my own God.
Same 'problem' as Adam and Eve had - hence their 'falling' for the distracting-from-getting-in-touch-with-and-then-cultivating-and-deploying-their-own-already-existing-Life-Force temptation to aspire to in-the-future-be "as gods" (Genesis 3:5)
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Old 11-07-2020, 03:19 PM
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So if I am not God then who am I? Who is the deciding factor in my life? Complete autonomy implies that I am my own master including my own God.

If you are your own 'God' than what kind of 'God' would that be? A 'God' that does not have the answer to his own question?
If you are a 'God' with complete autonomy surely you must have omniscience as well...

Alternatively, instead of saying you are a 'God' you could say/accept you are a flawed human being.
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Old 11-07-2020, 04:31 PM
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Alternatively, instead of saying you are a 'God' you could say/accept you are a flawed human being.
Wherever you 'go', there you 'are'.

Instead of choosing to see oneself (or others) as 'flawed' one can choose to see oneself (and by extrapolation others) as being a, potentially at least, wisdom and life-adeptitude learning 'apprentice' (Life Itself being the 'teacher') - hence, potentially at least valuable to Life.

That some may not 'maximally' fulfill said potential doesn't make them 'flawed' - only part way, in terms of the 'journey' which is limitless and therefore has no 'end'.

You are presently living 'among' what you judge to be 'flawed' people 'in' what you project is a 'flawed' world, Altair.

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You are presently living 'among' what you judge to be 'flawed' people 'in' what you project is a 'flawed' world, Altair.


All humans are flawed. You got issues with the word it seems. Would 'fallible' be more to your liking?
People are flawed, fallible, they make mistakes, they make false assumptions ((as you just did above))..

It's part of being human.
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All humans are flawed. You got issues with the word it seems. Would 'fallible' be more to your liking?
People are flawed, fallible, they make mistakes, they make false assumptions ((as you just did above))..

It's part of being human.
You are the one making a 'mistake' here - by misconstruing 'fallible' to mean 'flawed' - in order to 'save' your 'ego' from experiencing its own 'fallibility' in this case, I would bet.

P.S. I did not make any false assumptions, In fact I did not make any assumptions at all. I merely re'framed' something you 'see' as being a 'negative' in a not being so light; that is all!

My logic should be apparent to and understandable by one of your intellectual capacities. There may in fact be other reasons, but methinks the only reason you wouldn't truly understand what I am unequivocally saying is to preserve your 'pride' in face of having me showing you your own 'negativity' in an 'unvarnished' light.

C'mon back at me if you'd like another round of truth-'box'ing in front of the audience here, Altair. I suggest you don't so, fhowever - for you own sake. I only do/say what I do/say as part of my 'duty' to uphold the truth - that is not pleasurable for me either.
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