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Old 08-01-2014, 07:36 PM
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Does The Thought of External God Not Existing Terrify You?

I'll start with myself. Yes it does. As a human being part of the human species, I can tell what human beings may be capable of and as knowledge and intellect increases, there is this potentiality of humans ending up destroying or decimating themselves along with other lifeforms on this planet. As Michel de Montaigne once said “I have never seen a greater monster or miracle in the world than myself.”

Now going into crazy territory of life after death and the assumption that a soul exists, I think even such an afterlife can be quite "not as heavenly as one might have assumed when one was alive in the physical corporeal form." Who knows what the political system is on The Other Side or the Afterlife whether it be communism, socialism, libertarianism, anarchism, dictatorship, monarchy, capitalism, anarchosynicalism, anarchocapitalism, fiscal conservatism, some kind of tyrannical or non-tyrannical system, etc. It could very well be heaven or hell or consists of some degree of both the good and the bad.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:52 PM
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I think there is a hierarchical system and the currency - since there is no money - is advancement and knowledge in exchange of time serving in altruistic labor (properly dosed with leisure time, of course). All work and progress is done out of free will. It is very much a pluralistic world with many layers and dimensions, ranging from those where desperate consciousness get stuck in their own misery, to healing or transition realms which can look a lot like this physical one we live in, to heavenly realms where enlightened spirits work towards the goodness of mankind... among many other realms... Anyone can progress into higher realms if they put the effort, no one is stuck by force where they are, but the realms aren't free to access, you have to earn it (to have a prepared consciousness, one that resonates with the realm you are in or want to go), so there is border control. Acts of violence do not exist, the only violence is that which lower consciousness impose on themselves.

In other words, I think it's like The Astral City: http://www.oconsolador.com.br/linkfi...AstralCity.pdf
There was a movie with English subtitle in Youtube, but they took it off due to copyright. :(
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Old 08-01-2014, 11:23 PM
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No, not really. What terrifies me is people standing by and watching while we destroy ourselves rather than making their duty and their passion one (as Leibniz would put it).
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:18 AM
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No, it's humanity that terrifies me.
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Old 09-01-2014, 03:31 AM
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I'm 60 years old. Something keeps all of creation working. It can't be chance. Chaos does not exist in our world/dimension.
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Old 09-01-2014, 04:39 AM
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Doesn't bother me a bit. Why does it matter if there is an external God? Does that change your 'life' (and after life) somehow? You are as you are. Then again, I'm not so human.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:40 AM
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Doesn't bother me. It would be nice to have this ultimate being wield the power to set us straight, it would be nice to have a lot of things go a lot better, but I got used to working within my limitations when I want to change the world, and being at peace with the idea that there's nothing more to the world than the way it is when I don't want to change it.
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Old 09-01-2014, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by serenesam
I'll start with myself. Yes it does. As a human being part of the human species, I can tell what human beings may be capable of and as knowledge and intellect increases, there is this potentiality of humans ending up destroying or decimating themselves along with other lifeforms on this planet. As Michel de Montaigne once said “I have never seen a greater monster or miracle in the world than myself.”

Now going into crazy territory of life after death and the assumption that a soul exists, I think even such an afterlife can be quite "not as heavenly as one might have assumed when one was alive in the physical corporeal form." Who knows what the political system is on The Other Side or the Afterlife whether it be communism, socialism, libertarianism, anarchism, dictatorship, monarchy, capitalism, anarchosynicalism, anarchocapitalism, fiscal conservatism, some kind of tyrannical or non-tyrannical system, etc. It could very well be heaven or hell or consists of some degree of both the good and the bad.

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Doesn't bother me. It would be nice to have this ultimate being wield the power to set us straight, it would be nice to have a lot of things go a lot better, but I got used to working within my limitations when I want to change the world, and being at peace with the idea that there's nothing more to the world than the way it is when I don't want to change it.

Setting us straight would be impeding free will, as well as tyrannical, ruling as a dictator in who can decide what and how we go about growing. We wouldn't be able to grow after a certain point with that kind of figure above, because we wouldn't learn from experience or what it felt like or how it affected others, etc, simply because we'd have no experience with it. We are infinite beings, so a part of that stuff is in all of us, and if we have no opportunity to express it unless in rebellion, then we would not learn selfless and universal love but we would be afraid to do wrong, we would not learn so the moment some of us had the opportunity but hadn't developed simply because we had no chance to grow empathy because it's all warm and fuzzy anyway so there's no reason for the skill, we'd be going nuts exploring this side of us as we don't know when it will be able to be expressed or even ever again much like venting out steam. If you don't do it, then eventually it builds up and explodes when it can come out, which is what would happen if we were ruled by fear as Albadida described.
And I personally am a healer who recalls and has traveled to The Other Side during this lifetime. I will say that it is much like Fairyana described from what I have experienced, seen and learned there, but my primary task is healing those who have shut down from everything and need time and healing to help them climb out of their experiences they had during their lifetime, so I don't know everything nor will claim to, but I can always travel over and ask if you have questions. There is also the thing with passing to the other side- when some die, rather than going straight to the light, they go to where they believe they would've gone first, and remain there until they realize it is an illusion, or are haunted by thoughts that keep them wanting to stay here on earth or so earthbound they must find an energy channel to help them out if they can't solve why they stayed and didn't go to the light, which is the barrier that leads to The Other Side.
It wouldn't bother me if not, as we are a part of this being anyhow, not outside it. :)
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Old 14-01-2014, 02:01 AM
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To answe your question...nope. not at all.
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Old 14-01-2014, 03:28 PM
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Most people raised in the US have a built in belief in God, and even if they aren't spiritual or religious it can come out during extreme stress or tragedy, like when one is diagnosed with a deadly disease for example. Also many aren't concerned about God when they're young, but then the belief seems to come out when they get older and need it. They can say with confidence that they don't believe, but when it comes down to it, that belief is still lingering in the hidden corners of their mind, and comes out when pain strikes hard.

God is not in your intellect, you can't face the non-existence of God by reason (even though people think they do), it's in the heart which is why the belief waits patiently hidden and comes out when you need it. We seem less honest with ourselves here in the US than other countries are, so we deny what's in our heart alot.

Facing that belief and rejecting it on the heart level is like facing one's own death. Yes it is terrifying. Most people have no need to do that though, it's not necessary to cut out a part of them that's so deep and which might serve to help them later.
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