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Old 14-03-2017, 12:52 PM
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Truth and the spiritual search

If finding truth is an aspect of the spiritual search for some, then Non-duality would not have much to offer such seekers. It would be very difficult for a resonance to occur if the seeker had to first believe in Non-duality as a truth. A story from Soren Kierkegaard:-

"Once upon a time in England a coach was held up by a highwayman. "Your purse sir" said the brigand which the passenger duly handed over. The highwayman dumped his hat, coat and wig in a ditch and rode off to the next town. A beggar dressed himself with them and made his way to the town where the passenger identified him as the robber and put him on trial.

The Highwayman was present and, with the courts permission, put on the wig, hat, and coat, went over to the passenger and said "Your purse sir". The passenger said "This is the man that robbed me" but the trouble was that he had already sworn that the beggar was the robber.

And so it is with all who pay attention to the 'what' and not the 'how'. They venture life and limb, would hang themselves and others, all on account of the wig".

There may be much hidden in ditches (and elsewhere:) that contradicts what is believed to be a discovered truth based on this or that evidence.
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Old 15-03-2017, 07:59 AM
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Old 15-03-2017, 01:33 PM
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Who cares?

Its obvious who might care. I'm sure you know that. What reason could you have for denying it?
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Old 16-03-2017, 12:51 AM
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Its obvious who might care. I'm sure you know that.
if it is obvious for you then it may be yourself who cares.

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What reason could you have for denying it?
Denying what? I have asked a question.
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Old 16-03-2017, 06:47 AM
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If finding truth is an aspect of the spiritual search for some, then Non-duality would not have much to offer such seekers. It would be very difficult for a resonance to occur if the seeker had to first believe in Non-duality as a truth. A story from Soren Kierkegaard:-

"Once upon a time in England a coach was held up by a highwayman. "Your purse sir" said the brigand which the passenger duly handed over. The highwayman dumped his hat, coat and wig in a ditch and rode off to the next town. A beggar dressed himself with them and made his way to the town where the passenger identified him as the robber and put him on trial.

The Highwayman was present and, with the courts permission, put on the wig, hat, and coat, went over to the passenger and said "Your purse sir". The passenger said "This is the man that robbed me" but the trouble was that he had already sworn that the beggar was the robber.

And so it is with all who pay attention to the 'what' and not the 'how'. They venture life and limb, would hang themselves and others, all on account of the wig".

There may be much hidden in ditches (and elsewhere:) that contradicts what is believed to be a discovered truth based on this or that evidence.

The Story is interesting, thanks for sharing. For me, it is about false prophets leaving behind garments that innocent seekers of truth find and then don, thus carrying with them feelings of in-authenticity. Non duality has become very Clonish, it seems to me ? And there are many people running around with wigs and gowns and masks, pretending there is value or authenticity in such behaviour but further up the road, which might be a minute, an hour, a moment or a day, they will be on trial. Beware all those who seek the easy path.
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Old 16-03-2017, 07:07 AM
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If finding truth is an aspect of the spiritual search for some, then Non-duality would not have much to offer such seekers. It would be very difficult for a resonance to occur if the seeker had to first believe in Non-duality as a truth. A story from Soren Kierkegaard:-

"Once upon a time in England a coach was held up by a highwayman. "Your purse sir" said the brigand which the passenger duly handed over. The highwayman dumped his hat, coat and wig in a ditch and rode off to the next town. A beggar dressed himself with them and made his way to the town where the passenger identified him as the robber and put him on trial.

The Highwayman was present and, with the courts permission, put on the wig, hat, and coat, went over to the passenger and said "Your purse sir". The passenger said "This is the man that robbed me" but the trouble was that he had already sworn that the beggar was the robber.

And so it is with all who pay attention to the 'what' and not the 'how'. They venture life and limb, would hang themselves and others, all on account of the wig".

There may be much hidden in ditches (and elsewhere:) that contradicts what is believed to be a discovered truth based on this or that evidence.

Well said, Kierke'.
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Old 16-03-2017, 10:45 AM
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If finding truth is an aspect of the spiritual search for some, ...
Isn't it as follows (?):
If one accepts 'spiritual search' as an appropriate expression one has already accepted 'finding truth' as an aspect of this 'search'.
If 'finding truth' is not accepted as an appropriate expression but 'spiritual search' is then what is 'search' aimed at that is not to be considered 'true' or 'a truth'?
So it seems that the expression 'spiritual search' is to be questioned from the outset.
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Old 16-03-2017, 02:20 PM
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if it is obvious for you then it may be yourself who cares.


Denying what? I have asked a question.

The question is ridiculous as you well know. The answer would involve knowing whether there is someone among everyone who exists who might care about the proposition. An idea has value or not to someone else depending on whether they find it helpful and resonate with it.
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Old 16-03-2017, 02:25 PM
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Isn't it as follows (?):
If one accepts 'spiritual search' as an appropriate expression one has already accepted 'finding truth' as an aspect of this 'search'.
If 'finding truth' is not accepted as an appropriate expression but 'spiritual search' is then what is 'search' aimed at that is not to be considered 'true' or 'a truth'?
So it seems that the expression 'spiritual search' is to be questioned from the outset.

Couch it in whatever terms suit you. Whatever terms you prefer, the object of the search is to address a feeling of lacking whatever term is used.
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Old 17-03-2017, 07:53 AM
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Couch it in whatever terms suit you. Whatever terms you prefer, the object of the search is to address a feeling of lacking whatever term is used.
So this is your belief, your truth.
I do not know why some people set out on a spiritual search and others do not. I would have to ask every individual to find out individually.
Also I do not think that spiritual search is reasonable but I know that reason does not resonate with all people equally and different individuals may have different understandings of what is rightly called 'reason'.
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