the universe IS the greatest scammer

[Aldous]

Its possible that having twin souls is just a result of having our soul energy, whatever it is, split into parts to incarnate into human form. Why so many twins meet, I don't know. Maybe the twins are the main ones who planned it before incarnating in this lifetime, but things don't always work the way they planned it. I remember when I had crushes on girls before I met my twin, I tended to feel basically the same type feelings until the crush went away. You idealize the one you love. The love seems to be a result of the constant pull between the twin souls as if the two parts want to reunite.

There's a lot going against uniting with your twin. You get extremely obsessed with them. If you have regular contact with them, you fall in love, can't stop thinking about them, have trouble functioning, ie. doing school work, reading, hobbies, etc. It seems as if the human level is not very compatable with twin souls being together. Maybe its a trade off. You're separated from your twin to live a human life. Most people don't even meet their twin in their lifetimes, anyway.

[Ghost_Rider_1970]

Originally Posted by wraithklewn

Oh this one is going to be so much fun.

It's about time you all accept the real truth about twin flames aka the most useless spiritual leash you actually never wanted.

The universe is the greatest scammer to ever come up with this one.

How are we going to get these stupid lowly humans to heal themselves? oh! i know! lets spiritually tether them to a specific person/soul who is everything they always wanted and then "we'll" take it all away from them never to return it back to them 99.99% of the time.

1. First well get them physically attracted to them.

2. Then have that 'recognition' like they known each other forever.

3. Then lets make them both feel like "this is meant to be!" and the most intense love they have ever experienced.

4. Oooh this is when we start to make them fight and act out and behave like eachothers wounds.

5. Then we make one of them run away because "they cant take it" its too much to handle. WAAAAH!

6. Oh but lets make sure we hurt them more then just that.. we make the runner jump right into another relationship to make you feel worthless pining for them to come back and feel like you are going to die without them.

7. But hmm.. we have to make sure the runner wants nothing to do with the other so complete cut off of the other person is spiritually enforced. Keep trying and they make it worse and add consequences for doing so.

8. But this is not enough yet.. lets make them see signs everywhere that specifically remind the victim with 'signs" and 'signal" the runner is going to return.

But mwahaha thats not why we really see signs..in fact the reason for signs is to keep you in pain. how else can "we" make you suffer to start searching within to fix yourself if you could just forget them and move on so easily?

hence why if you resist the more signs you will see and more often.

9. then because of this little thing called free will.. the runner hates you so much and dont want to fix their own problems.. feel better without you..do not think of you ever and go off to be with some one else so fast.


10 Oh but he/she looks so miserable with that other pseon.. you just know its because we are 'twin flames" and if i could just get them to see how much you "love" them.. he/she would be so happy.. we're twin flames! we are meant to be together! why else would we be if that isnt why. right?!? we are the same soul! and bla bla bla

but but! if they dont come back ill suffer in a sea of sorrow forever!!

uh huh

hold it right there.. they actually love that misery compared to coming back to you.. that other person isnt the mirror and remind them of all their problems 24/7 they dont want to face..

They are NOT ever coming back.

They do not want to "fix' their problems that you cause them to be reminded of constantly by being around you or thinking of you.

They are NOT ever coming back. unless they are willing to fix all their problems and even then.. free will.. they still dont have to come back if they dont want to.

but but! we are the same soul they love me and "its meant to be"


but but! ive done all my self healing.. ive even done energy clearing for them too! i love them 'unconditionally!! (LOL) it says what to do on x or y's website!!

why arent they back yet?!?

because you actually cant do that stuff for anyone else but yourself

oh boo! maybe "in the next life" i can be with them!

and how would you actually "know" this? you arent going to be there to possibly know. oh but your soul can..just not you as in this current 3d incarnation.

but but all these "portals" and "awakenings" i keep hearing about.. my twin will wake up and run back to me when they do.

uh huh

we have a soul contract before we came down here to be together. that x or y's website said!

uh huh

do you have your copy of said 'soul contract" that you can just re read at leisure ? no you do not.

but but divine will is intervening and can make us be together like i finally want to!

uh huh

thats just what the divine does.. makes you be with someone else if you dont want to ..right? free will says "i dont think so" about that idea

but your all healed and all that now!

oh now your catching on.. this was never anything to do about being in a relationship to begin with. it is just used to get you to do what you didnt want to do in the first place.

This Twin Lame phenomena is nothing but a scam.

Sorry to burst your little 3d ego fantasy relationship expectation bubble.. not

A very interesting post :)

I think it depends on the actual interpretation of what is meant by a Twin Flame. If it is viewed exactly as you say, then yes, this is more about unrequited love than a Twin Flame experience.

I appreciate there are infinite subtleties with each Twin Flame connection being unique and different depending on the spiritual development and what each Twin will learn and grow from the other.

Where I think the key point is that a Twin Flame is usually based around shared experiences and acts as a catalyst with regards to a spiritual 'awakening'.

So, I would suggest that under the circumstances that you have outlined this is unlikely to be a Twin Flame connection.

[able12]

it does seem cruel. So, try to leave it--that is the worst part--not being able to leave it--and it isn't like an addiction or an obsession--it is just there. That is why I still occasionally drop in here to read the insights of others--it helps to be among those who have experienced their own version of it. people who sit on some pedestal from on high and pass judgment really have no idea.

[able12]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Not really. The physical universe is. It doesn't exist for humans. Humans are a by-product. We invent / construct our inner universes from what's projected from the outer. As without so within.

So we invent scams. Most are invented to make money (selling snake oil) or so someone seeking importance can get their names in the spiritual history books.

This twin flames thing. It all started with the Plato story. He wasn't out to make money but to push a myth. The soulmates thing was taken in by Blavatsky and the Theosophists. Although Blavatsky did a great deal for the occult she was eventually summed up as a fraud.

Since then various self-appointed gurus spotted that some relationships are closer than others and actually work!! so they wrapped the idea up in jargon and supposition (that they try to present as "fact") and sold it as the "Twin Flame" package. Ta-daaaahhhh!

Now, as you see here, people look on this as the end in itself rather than just a means.

But the universe didn't come up with the scam. More like Blavatsky...and when you look at some of the waffle on the internet....? As long as you liberally sprinkle "love" and "truly" all over your snake oil, someone will buy it.


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Except I didn't know anything about TFs until after the experience and felt driven to see if I could find out something--anything about what happened--and what do you know-- classic case with all the typical symptoms and it was like an "Aha" moment. I wasn't trying to fit the relationship into some definition, I was shocked to find there actually was a definition.

[Aldous]

I like to see the fact that wraithklewn isn't afraid to express his opinion. I've viewed this thing negatively for a long time, but now after reading about other people's experiences, I don't blame my twin like I used to. I was too shocked and overwhelmed to deal with it, after she flipped out, lost her temper, tried to make me jealous, said she was engaged, was with someone who she claimed she was engaged to and even kissed him and walked away arm in arm in front of me. I'm scarred for life because of it. Strangely, enough, I saw her months later a number of times. She even sat across a courtyard at college from me and we were looking at each other for a while, but I was too afraid to go up to her. This was the first time I definately felt telepathy between us and figured we must be soulmates or something (I never heard the term twin soul/flame at the time). This happened twice. My heart kept pounding. If it wasn't for the emotional abuse, maybe we would have had a chance, or maybe we would have been separated anyway later on. The last time I saw her, I experienced the eye lock phenomenon. I did go up to her out in the athletic field on my bike and asked her if she saw anyone playing soccer. Friends she was with said they saw them. She asked me how I was doing. I said OK. At that point I could sense the telepathy and energy. I sensed part of my soul in her and part of her soul in me, we both had vibrational patterns which were identical. As I rode my bike away, she called my name and said she didn't go to that school anymore and said she got home at five. Later, I somehow knew we shared the same soul/spirit, but felt that was absurd and figured we must have a comon spiritual origin. I was too afraid to call her later on, though. I was so overwhelmed by it. We've been communicating by email recently, though, after 38 years of no contact.

[Aldous]

One good thing I found is that over time, the connection appears to weaken. Before I got email from my twin this year, I remember thinking "Oh well, at this point it probably doesn't even matter anymore anyway".

Over the years, though, a lot of my fears seem to have been transfered to other females, so I never date anymore. Many of them try to make me jealous and don't respect my feelings. The best ones are usually taken anyway.

[Aldous]

I found this picture from a website that doesn't exist anymore. It shows one theory about twin souls. Near twins are someone else's twin on another branch of the tree.

[able12]

Originally Posted by Aldous

One good thing I found is that over time, the connection appears to weaken. Before I got email from my twin this year, I remember thinking "Oh well, at this point it probably doesn't even matter anymore anyway".

Over the years, though, a lot of my fears seem to have been transfered to other females, so I never date anymore. Many of them try to make me jealous and don't respect my feelings. The best ones are usually taken anyway.

You can accept the experience of a TF in your life but you shouldn't dismiss the SM or earthly connection as well. You can acknowledge the TF--and it is very typical that they are cruel to each other--it seems to be part of the dynamic. I still feel that way--mean--but is part of the resistance to something that can be beautiful and scary. I am not sure I want it, but I have experienced it and I am curious about it--especially when over the course of time--something in me--feels waves of complete joy when he is near--even when "I" don't know it. The soul seems so innocent in this cynical old world--I am not so sure I want her running the show. :)

[ForgedInFire]

I dont know.. i just really dislike how many people/websites over romanticize and filled with added fluff that allure others to this. It's misleading so many people.

On the other hand there are very few that dare mention the darker aspects of it. Not the connection itself but that it is a huge target by "wolves in sheeps clothing". Acknowledging the light but negating that the dark does not exist when it absolutely does.

What most do not realize is that these kinds of things can and do cause runners, delays or prevent of any sort of union/reunion.

Originally Posted by taurusnsane

well, whatever we are experiencing, a big % do not experience this. so just let it slide and go with the flow. we are experiecing something that is beyond normality.

You can say that again.

you dont like twin flame label? then use another term. dont like any term? well, just "experience" then

Not a question of don't like. It's a label for a mating-game kit. Labels are just that. It's the suppositions underlying the concept that ring false.

I readily admit that one is more likely to encounter the negative here because when things are going swimmingly there's no problem so "reports" are positive. But so often those "experiences" you speak of turn sour, anguish, hurt, unreasonable questions to which there's no answer except "That's the way it is," which doesn't placate the asker.

Many of us have had relationships of varying length that have been entirely fulfilling but end for one reason or another. Some of us have had experiences within those relationships that involve trust beyond any ordinary level, when each of the pair utterly (and I mean utterly) rely on each other in altered states of consciousness. It's then that you know two souls are very aligned.

These are all just part of human interaction and relations. There really is no need to dress them up further.

So, yes, call them by what label you like. Get it that at times two people meet who find they mesh very intricately. When one thinks she or he does but the other doesn't, then they don't and maybe facing reality saves loads of emotional anguish, etc.

Interesting, though.