The size of God's universe.

[Shivani Devi]

Please allow me to throw the cat in amongst the pigeons here.

So, I bring the multiverse theory to the table now. The trillions of stars in this universe is infinitesimal compared to the total number in all of the infinite, possible permutations of "universes" in existence not only at this time...but every time since the Big Bang and at any and every time in the past, present and future.

So how big is God's universe? As big as God himself.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Busby

I cannot imagine that God, one god let it be said, although said to be everywhere, can manage to keep all of this under control.

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Hmmm ...

Thought being matter and hence limited, how may we employ it to fathom what appears unlimited?

First know oneself, which we do not ... there are theories, theosophy, conjectures but not the knowledge that comes from definitive inner wisdom, isn’t it?

Also, why would God control? Where there is love, there may be no force. Moreover, all prayerful meditational engagements reveal a unity behind the seeming separateness created by ego. If there is a unity, we are one with the oneness, one with the Universe, one with God.

Employing free will, we may connect to the singular source ... simply by choosing, yearning to connect, surrendering limited fragmented thought.

My take

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

So, I bring the multiverse theory to the table now.

So how big is God's universe? As big as God himself.

That last bit... was that the actual cat? "God Himself" as per the religious belief is an old guy with a white beard. He sits on a throne because he's too dang tired to get up. How is a forgetful old fart like that supposed to keep track of one universe, let alone multiple ones?

Probably why he had a son: pooped out, let someone else can run Creation for the next 7000 years.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Baile

That last bit... was that the actual cat? "God Himself" as per the religious belief is an old guy with a white beard. He sits on a throne because he's too dang tired to get up. How is a forgetful old fart like that supposed to keep track of one universe, let alone multiple ones?

Probably why he had a son: pooped out, let someone else can run Creation for the next 7000 years.

Nah, the cat belonged to Mr Schrodinger and it is the cat of unlimited amd unrestrained perception.

While the pigeons were all pecking away On the tiny grains of one single universe, the cat thought "I wonder if introducing infinite universes would blow the minds of all these poor little birds, all flying around in their limited cages and make them all fly away...free within the great expanse of an endless Sky...and I may even catch one for my dinner..."

Oh yeah...when speaking of God...who can also be a young dude with garlands of cobras and matted hair sitting in a Yoga pose...or anything he/she wants to be according to the angle God is being looked at...I hear the terms "omnipotent", "omniscient" and "omnipresent" are used a lot...because any God that can be pigeonholed isn't God...

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

free within the great expanse of an endless Sky

This should be humanity's collective religion. One holy book, with that line written on page 1, that's it, the end.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Baile

This should be humanity's collective religion. One holy book, with that line written on page 1, that's it, the end.

I added more to my post above as you were typing that.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

because any God that can be pigeonholed isn't God...

That would be the 3-second sermon each Sunday at the church of the Endless Sky.

[Azu]

Originally Posted by Busby

Let your imagination run wild Azu, there are whole worlds to be discovered.

Yes, imagination is an integral part of human nature and personal/spiritual development.

Who knows, imagination could be actually another parallel universe.

[Azu]

Originally Posted by Busby

Let your imagination run wild Azu, there are whole worlds to be discovered.

Yes, imagination is an integral part of human nature and personal/spiritual development.

Who knows, imagination could be actually another parallel universe.

[weareunity]

Hello Busby and all.
Regarding thoughts about (our) connection to the universe:--
If we choose to regard the universe as process rather than place, then we each and all have a straightforward connection with the universe and consequently with all because we are each and all constantly and inescapably processing, and are therefore constantly and inescapably involved with the universal process of cause and consequence.

Though our individual part in that process may SEEM negligible, that's really not the point when beginning to understand our connection. The point at first is to simply realise that we ARE inescapably involved/connected.

If we can accept that, then perhaps we might choose to think about the consequences of that involvement/connection.

One thought is that when we now think about the universe we are no longer doing so from outside of it, our actual connection--if we accept the thoughts above--is such that we cannot perhaps use objective thought about the universe in the way which would expect to do as mere observers. We are not observers but participants.

So how shall we learn about a universe of which we are participants?

The possibility which presents itself as fitting in with being a source of knowledge which is not necessarily dependent upon being separate, a source which actually depends upon "being of" rather than "being outside looking at", is empathy. But we first have to thoroughly "be within" before we can have access to this source.

Perhaps this is our evolution, perhaps our necessary evolution for our survival.

We can think of this necessity as coming up fast and furious, a contemporary awareness. But it has been foreseen. Many of the great teachings seem to teach of connection as if laying the foundation in virtue for what now becomes necessity.

All for now. Look forward to hearing others thoughts. pete