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Old 30-01-2015, 08:23 PM
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Most of the people committing these heinous acts, corruption of power, violence, and horrors in the world aren't experiencing any higher form of consciousness or spiritual advancement so how can they be included in this conversation?
These two subjects don't go together. We were talking in this conversation from the perspective of some level of advanced consciousness.
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Old 30-01-2015, 08:39 PM
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Most of the people committing these heinous acts, corruption of power, violence, and horrors in the world aren't experiencing any higher form of consciousness or spiritual advancement so how can they be included in this conversation?
These two subjects don't go together. We were talking in this conversation from the perspective of some level of advanced consciousness.

I don't believe we were speaking about any advance state of being.

You quoted me,
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" One may have a spiritual experience and become deluded with grandiose beliefs that lead to further attachment and suffering, or in taking one's beliefs as absolute truths one might commit horrendous acts against others in line with their beliefs and the lack of tolerance that results. "

This is simply speaking of the nature of belief and attachment, and the potentially harmful results of having an extreme or absolute view. If you'd like to related it to spirituality, there are entire religious sects that believe spirituality is about getting others to conform to their own extremist beliefs by violent force if necessary.

This conversation has been about the nature of truth, belief, and certainty more than anything else. If you don't wish to discuss the points I raised, that is fine, but they certainly fit within the context of this conversation.
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Old 31-01-2015, 04:54 AM
H:O:R:A:C:E H:O:R:A:C:E is offline
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VinceField, i will present you a challenge:
given: you
challenge: disprove your existence.
i suggest that if you can prove (to your own satisfaction) that it is
impossible to disprove a premise, that premise must be true (i.e., certain).

i sense that you are operating predominantly from a mental perspective...
there are other aspects of "self" that you might explore more fully (imho).
you have stated earlier something to the effect that the mind is a tool;
i ask you to consider what aspect of yourself is using that tool, and to what end.
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Old 31-01-2015, 10:36 AM
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VinceField, i will present you a challenge:
given: you
challenge: disprove your existence.
i suggest that if you can prove (to your own satisfaction) that it is
impossible to disprove a premise, that premise must be true (i.e., certain).

i sense that you are operating predominantly from a mental perspective...
there are other aspects of "self" that you might explore more fully (imho).
you have stated earlier something to the effect that the mind is a tool;
i ask you to consider what aspect of yourself is using that tool, and to what end.


Reminds me of a favorite line: God doesn't exist, I know because He told me so.
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Old 31-01-2015, 02:01 PM
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VinceField, i will present you a challenge:
given: you
challenge: disprove your existence.
i suggest that if you can prove (to your own satisfaction) that it is
impossible to disprove a premise, that premise must be true (i.e., certain).

i sense that you are operating predominantly from a mental perspective...
there are other aspects of "self" that you might explore more fully (imho).
you have stated earlier something to the effect that the mind is a tool;
i ask you to consider what aspect of yourself is using that tool, and to what end.

I can't prove or disprove anything, and I don't seek to.

I am well aware of the many aspects of self, I've been exploring them for the past 15 years. I've experienced states of Higher Self consciousness, Universal consciousness, oneness with God, and many things in between.

I am also aware that I currently do not fully comprehend the true nature of any of this, and I am unlikely to while in this physical body, most likely by design.
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Old 01-02-2015, 01:36 AM
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I can't prove or disprove anything, and I don't seek to.

I am well aware of the many aspects of self, I've been exploring them for the past 15 years. I've experienced states of Higher Self consciousness, Universal consciousness, oneness with God, and many things in between.

I am also aware that I currently do not fully comprehend the true nature of any of this, and I am unlikely to while in this physical body, most likely by design.

thats fair.
pleasant journeys.
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Old 01-02-2015, 01:46 AM
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thats fair.
pleasant journeys.

You as well. :)
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