Is This Reality Perfect?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

you imply that im a bad fella, you started with suspicion? you feel as though its your job to judge my character?

I just used the 'Bad' word you chose to refer to your 'self', lighten up dude. It's just a 'wrestling' match to test your mettle and 'see' and 'show' by eliciting it further (if I can) what 'you' are really made of. I know the 'truth' ain't always 'good' looking, but the good' news is that one always choose to change, which I 'see' that you are struggling to.

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

If you were taught as a child to worry only about you and to be completely introspective. my words to anyone else would not concern you in the slightest.

News flash: I was never taught that as a child. Newsflash 2: Everything that happens (and doesn't happen ) in the world if Life concerns me as I am a part of IT - I just focus on catches my attention by being in front of me and whatever I may be thinking and feeling in relation to that however. Tag ... you're IT (right now), fella!

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

unless you didn't comprehend what i was saying.

As I had I only had 'suspicions' about what you were saying, I poked you so you'd stand up and truly show your 'self' by clarifying what you meant.

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

If anything you would view me as needing some self love myself not questioning me and my motives. as you would know my life is for me to make in my image not yours.

I have no idea what you need, 'Bad' fella. I know that the world could use a lot more 'truth' and 'love' right now - when I say 'love', I mean the 'tough' 'fatherly' kind not the 'soft' 'motherly' kind - there's already been too much of that, leading to an 'deadly' (in effect) epidemic of self-indulgence that's running around without diapers on right NOW.

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

but i will stop reacting to you and do what i should have done from the beginning.

That strikes me as being a good idea. If you had done this (from the 'beginning') you wouldn't have 'incurred' this intervention to stop your unwarranted 'belching and farting' (that's all it was, right?) on Wab-sabi's personality and 'good' (IMO) work.

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

You are right. I'm so proud of you for writing your book and for being so proud of it. Thank you for pointing out the flaws in my view. thank you for pointing out the flaw in my name. i will now take much time to deliberate my life choices and possibly strive towards the level of consciousness you have attained. i will use your book as a road map! THANK YOU

One last (I hope) flash of sarcasm? In my view, it is quite 'unbecoming' of (the real) 'you'. Go for the gold (WabiSabi's included!). bro! Just throw my book in the trash if you don't find any in there.

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

I'm sending you love my friend and hope that your day is full of just that!

Assuming you really mean that (sometimes both sides of your mouth speak at once!), I wish the same for you.

holly cow batman! i really got you going huh?

You're enough the way you truly are. No need to belittle me or disguise passive insults behind the guise of being a spiritual leader.

You're need to prove me wrong and place yourself above me in your mind shows me that you really do need love. possibly a hug as well.

I will send you more love.. as you need it the most out of all the people I've encountered this week.

Again i think you are more than enough without all the knowledge and wisdom that you hold as your identifier. without books or wisdom and without success and possessions you are still perfect.

You are perfection disguised as chaos.
Your mind just hasn't caught up with the reality of who you truly are!

Just in case you missed the first two let me throw one more hug and blast you with love one more time!!!!

Edit: alot of lower chakra activity from you. feels like anger or aggression, maybe tension? Grounding should help you through that... sending more love again.
you're a tough nut to crack. God bless your HS!

[WabiSabi]

Wow, this thread escalated quite fast. That was certainly not my intent.

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

how you perceive my words and my screen name are reflective of you and your inner state and image of self. I do not need to explain my screen name if it bothers you figure out why it bothers you.

I read his post as honesty and being introspective. Something you don't seem to be seeing. Or doing for that matter.

Your assumption on my intent. Is just that assumption.

And the amount of logic and wisdom you seem to want to convey to everyone should also help you to figure out what the world would be like if everyone only worried about themselves.

Notice how I pointed out your flaw because it is also one of my own?
Maybe you could do well to go back and reassess your post to me using the logic you set fourth! (Projecting)

I was wondering about your post myself. It came across to me as quite sarcastic, but I didn't respond to it because I recognized that I may be wrong, and I try to not make such assumptions if I can help it. I can also be sarcastic at times, so I was wondering if I may be projecting. I was definitely aware of my intentions when making this thread, but I didn't realize those intentions would upset people.

[WabiSabi]

Originally Posted by davidsun

[An aside to Froebellian, just in case he hasn't totally huffed-n-puffed himself 'out' of here: What follows is what a really 'perfect' :) 'discussion' actually IS about.]



It has been said that a 'picture' is worth 'a thousand words'. I think the following picture resolves (re-solves) the conundrum (being 'struggles' with above) which arises as a result of the limitations of strictly word-based, hence necessarily linear in terms of meaning-sequence, logic.



Also, in response to what WabiSabi then went on to express:


I would like to copy-share a one of 'naturesflows' posts from another thread:

Thanks for the post. As is constantly revealed to me, I see that we are all speaking of the same indescribable reality, and that all we are really doing is arguing semantics. But that then begs the question, why talk about it at all?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Badcopyinc

You're enough the way you truly are. No need to belittle me or disguise passive insults behind the guise of being a spiritual leader.

Correction - there is nothing passive about me - I have actively challenged and invited you to clarify you what you have said and the intentions giving rise to said 'sayings'
. You have responded in the way you have responded which has completely clarified the nature of your relationality - which makes what you have said completely clear. I have no more 'suspicions' or questio in said regards. Thank you.

Your other commentary re what I have said in relation to you and what you 'see' as my shtick is noted.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by WabiSabi

I didn't realize those intentions would upset people.

There's no accounting for the way others choose to be. All one can do besides revealing what one sees in whatever 'space' one finds oneself in so others may possibly see what one sees and respond to it (if and as they so choose), and then respond to said any such response(s) for such purpose, again, if one so chooses.

Depending on others' psychospiritual gestalt, 'silence' may be interpreted as 'complicity', I think. So I choose to 'stand up and be counted' when and where I think doing so may serve social 'good'.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by WabiSabi

Thanks for the post. As is constantly revealed to me, I see that we are all speaking of the same indescribable reality, and that all we are really doing is arguing semantics. But that then begs the question, why talk about it at all?

As I said in a preceding post, if one takes into account and relates to the fact that people's perceptions don't just present a view of the same 'reality' but also reflect the 'nature' of their own being: sharing <=> intimacy, such that communion, which I think is 'manna' to 'i'solated spirits - it is to mine at least - is made 'truly' possible thereby, that is, the case of folks who genuinely appreciate others and genuinely reveal themselves so they may be genuinely appreciated.

Here is a snippet from the treatise I am presently composing attempting to present a wide-angle perspective on the subject (albeit it is out of context):

"The learning and consequent development I speak of is in the direction of appreciating the functional connections and commonalities despite the differences between one’s ‘self’ and other ‘selves’ and (so) relating to them in ways which maximize possible experiences and expressions of communal Love and Joy, which means, except as said others are so self-centered that they are ‘geared’ to exploitatively abuse and degrade the potential for Love and Joy experience and expression of those around them (in which case other kinds of responses may be called for), choosing to embrace and act in ways which increase the possibility that their wishes and desires in said regards will be fulfilled as well, not just one’s own. Hence the progression over time – generally, that is: souls may also get stuck in a state of ‘arrested development’ or even ‘devolve’ as a result of an incomplete or irrationally biased calculus in the foregoing regard –from completely selfish to familial to clannish to tribal to national to global to universal and, ultimately, to cosmically transcendent psychospiritual ‘identifications’, the latter of course meaning that folks think, feel and believe and so conscientiously act knowing that, though each and every soul is unique and so different in significant ways, one’s ‘self’ and all other ‘selves’ are really integral expressions of Life Itself, in other words: knowing that, despite apparent differences, we are all relationally connected aspects of the same (One and Only!) Glorious Being!"

Woohoo!

[lemex]

Ok, I'm going to ask a basic question that happens on the world since it was specially asked is it perfect. We to are part of a thing of the universe. Of course such things don't occur out in space. What about such natural and real things such as birth defects, disease, etc. Reference the thought of "the" plan implies something to. learning. As far as pure perfect why do some suffer (go through) and some do not? Here I'm not talking about perception but natural occurrences.

[davidsun]

Speaking of people's reactions and responses to other people's perceptions related to 'truth' ('reality', what have you) -- note: this is a generalization (meaning there are many 'exceptions' to this for many 'reasons', I think -- so it's not meant to 'point to' anyone in particular, I like what's said in the following quote/translation from the 'Aramaic Bible in Plain English' because it does not resort to 'evil' as a label (copied from http://biblehub.com/john/3-20.htm):

"For everyone who does what is hateful, hates The Light and does not come to The Light, lest his works should be convicted."


I think it 'explains' questionable behaviors exhibited by many on the word stage to day, who are doing their damnedest to cast aspersions on others who shoot holes in their arguments and question/challenge their motives - for example, those who simply label and dismiss instead of genuinely considering and responding to expressions of views which cast them in a 'bad' light as being the purveyors of 'fake' 'truth' - which is as oxymoraninc an assertion as simply labeling what they claim to be 'true' as being (equally valid) 'alternate facts'.

For anyone who enjoys contemplatively playing with such things, Other translations of the same passage (John 3:20) taken from the same page are: "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (King James version); "For every wrongdoer hates the light, and does not come to the light, for fear his actions should be exposed and condemned." (Weymouth New Testament); and "People who do what is wrong hate the light and don't come to the light. They don't want their actions to be exposed." (GOD'S WORD® Translation).

Also of possible contemplative interest in relation to a lot that's going on on the world stage: "A scorner loves not one that reproves him: neither will he go to the wise." (Proverbs 15:12)

Originally Posted by lemex

Ok, I'm going to ask a basic question that happens on the world since it was specially asked is it perfect. We to are part of a thing of the universe. Of course such things don't occur out in space. What about such natural and real things such as birth defects, disease, etc. Reference the thought of "the" plan implies something to. learning. As far as pure perfect why do some suffer (go through) and some do not? Here I'm not talking about perception but natural occurrences.

As I said in post #28, nothing exists without God's approval.

What God is 'approving' here is uncertainty. The alternative would be a universe much like a rubber room - absolutely safe, and absolutely useless.

So there is risk, and seemingly random uncertainty, which I refer to as divine fairness, as nothing is for certain but that anything could happen to anyone at any time, despite our most adamant expectations. This applies to all.

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