Did God change? From a murderer to a loving Father?

[Dargor]

The new testament says that God and his laws do not change. So there ya go, he's still the psychopathic, tyrannical, ruthless, sadistic, murderous, cruel deity like he was in the old testament.

[NoOne]

Zecharia Sitchin thought that there were two gods in the Bible. A jealous, angry tyrannical one, Enlil, and a benevolent, loving humanitarian one, Enki. In his reading Enlil was responsibly for causing the flood, Enki was the one who tried to save humanity by warning Noah. This is supported by Sumerian scripture, which the Bible is largely based on btw…

He also thought that the Heavenly Father, Jesus's father, the benevolent God of the New Testament, was Enki. In my own experience, he was spot on about that.

[Aknaton]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Zecharia Sitchin thought that there were two gods in the Bible. A jealous, angry tyrannical one, Enlil, and a benevolent, loving humanitarian one, Enki. In his reading Enlil was responsibly for causing the flood, Enki was the one who tried to save humanity by warning Noah. This is supported by Sumerian scripture, which the Bible is largely based on btw…

He also thought that the Heavenly Father, Jesus's father, the benevolent God of the New Testament, was Enki. In my own experience, he was spot on about that.

An interesting point of view. One way of understanding religion is through a scholarly exercises of finding correspondences and similaries. But I feel this means is inefficient.

In my day studying occultism, I came to find that Enlil is known in African vodun as Damballa and this is his most active form. He is extremely active in the Tibetan Buddhist circles as one of the Nagas. When you project to his kingdom, you will find it in a spiritual region that corresponds with our physical sky, and access is not granted anyhow. His chief form is that of a dragon.

Enlil is as they say he is, in the spiritual region corresponding to our physical waters and his chief appearance is that of a young beautiful male holding a trident and dressed like royalty and is accompanied by so much jewellery and wealth. His father is that old merman who resembles the father to the little mermaid in that Disney series. He calls himself the king of the sea. When you project to his kingdom, he offers much history of mankind and for those who desire, he gives pacts of wealth and can marry you off to a mermaid.

The Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three manifestations of one God. They are not separate but are one. In my experiences and sojourns, I am confident in saying that Enlil is not the Heavenly Father and Enki is not Jesus Christ. They are totally different and far off. I am very much in contact with the trinity, and they are not Enlil or Enki.

You have this point of view because celestial kingdom Christians call heaven is closed to you. My mind is taken to you walking down a desert path towards the moonlight. You are headed towards a light, but this isn't the true Light.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Aknaton

An interesting point of view. One way of understanding religion is through a scholarly exercises of finding correspondences and similaries. But I feel this means is inefficient.

In my day studying occultism, I came to find that Enlil is known in African vodun as Damballa and this is his most active form. He is extremely active in the Tibetan Buddhist circles as one of the Nagas. When you project to his kingdom, you will find it in a spiritual region that corresponds with our physical sky, and access is not granted anyhow. His chief form is that of a dragon.

Enlil is as they say he is, in the spiritual region corresponding to our physical waters and his chief appearance is that of a young beautiful male holding a trident and dressed like royalty and is accompanied by so much jewellery and wealth. His father is that old merman who resembles the father to the little mermaid in that Disney series. He calls himself the king of the sea. When you project to his kingdom, he offers much history of mankind and for those who desire, he gives pacts of wealth and can marry you off to a mermaid.

The Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three manifestations of one God. They are not separate but are one. In my experiences and sojourns, I am confident in saying that Enlil is not the Heavenly Father and Enki is not Jesus Christ. They are totally different and far off. I am very much in contact with the trinity, and they are not Enlil or Enki.

You have this point of view because celestial kingdom Christians call heaven is closed to you. My mind is taken to you walking down a desert path towards the moonlight. You are headed towards a light, but this isn't the true Light.

' You have this point of view because celestial kingdom Christians call heaven is closed to you. '


Gosh you seem to be very knowledgeable In who's allowed into heaven just by reading a Post on a Forum. St Peter on guard at the pearly gates might employ you.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Aknaton

An interesting point of view. One way of understanding religion is through a scholarly exercises of finding correspondences and similaries. But I feel this means is inefficient.

In my day studying occultism, I came to find that Enlil is known in African vodun as Damballa and this is his most active form. He is extremely active in the Tibetan Buddhist circles as one of the Nagas. When you project to his kingdom, you will find it in a spiritual region that corresponds with our physical sky, and access is not granted anyhow. His chief form is that of a dragon.

Enlil is as they say he is, in the spiritual region corresponding to our physical waters and his chief appearance is that of a young beautiful male holding a trident and dressed like royalty and is accompanied by so much jewellery and wealth. His father is that old merman who resembles the father to the little mermaid in that Disney series. He calls himself the king of the sea. When you project to his kingdom, he offers much history of mankind and for those who desire, he gives pacts of wealth and can marry you off to a mermaid.

The Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three manifestations of one God. They are not separate but are one. In my experiences and sojourns, I am confident in saying that Enlil is not the Heavenly Father and Enki is not Jesus Christ. They are totally different and far off. I am very much in contact with the trinity, and they are not Enlil or Enki.

I was reporting on Sitchin's theories, which are in fact supported by Sumerian Scripture. Clearly, many Bible figures were based on earlier Sumerian ones, though of course it's not always clear which is which. Sitchin wrote that Enki was the New Testament god, in his estimation, which would make him Jesus's father, if you accept his interpretation. I imagine no Christian would, but that's another matter.

You have this point of view because celestial kingdom Christians call heaven is closed to you. My mind is taken to you walking down a desert path towards the moonlight. You are headed towards a light, but this isn't the true Light.

You are being quite a bit presumptuous there... No, heaven is not closed to me, I can assure you. I'm not a Christian and to assume only Christians get to experience heaven is beyond arrogant. Every religion and spiritual tradition has their own version.

[edithaint]

I agree with those who say God has not changed, only our perception of God through space and time. There is certainly some truth in the Bible, but like all human works, only a tiny piece of the puzzle may be known. Likewise, we clearly understand very little about what is "right" or "wrong" in this world. Who are we to judge a murderer?

Personally, I do believe God is all-loving. But also all-hating. And definitely not benevolent. Nor malevolent. That would imply a universal "good" or "evil" that we simply cannot prove beyond our human perspective. As far as we know, there are our fairly predictable laws of physics, and fairly predictable patterns of cost, benefit, cause and effect, but much more we cannot fathom about the unknown reality around us. Our ethics and morals are not just the result of a moral God controlling our fate or granting us free will, but an instinct to make choices that result in the benefit we desire and the cost we can afford. God is beyond morality and so are we.

God is everyone and everything. Every rock, plant, beast, man, woman, and child. Every cell, atom, photon, and quark. Every cost and benefit. Every action, every equal and opposite reaction. God is the God of the Bible, the gods of Greece, India, Japan, Mexico, broken up into bite-size pieces for our little animal brains to understand. God is everything we were, are, ever will be. Our fate, our will. The gear and the code.

Why do we steal and murder? Because that is what we are coded to do, to keep the gears turning. Matter, energy, and information are neither created nor destroyed, but changed and exchanged. Stealing and murdering facilitate the exchange. Plagues come and go, the tides ebb and flow, we live and we die. What goes up must go down. This is justice, and eternity shall judge at some point in space and time. God is mother and father, thief and killer, creation and destruction, plague and tide. Everything we wish to be, and everything we pray we never become. If we know God as killer today and father tomorrow, this reflects our own hopes and fears in a largely unknowable cosmos.

[davidmartin]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

The new testament says that God and his laws do not change. So there ya go, he's still the psychopathic, tyrannical, ruthless, sadistic, murderous, cruel deity like he was in the old testament.

But it also says you don't put new wine in old wineskins
The old wineskins represent the concept of God as you mentioned
'Religious' Christianity then is new wine in old wineskins. This truth actually is implied in the New Testament in many places but religion certainly crept in, not helped by Paul's legalistic approach. But if you go beyond that into Mary's son the full truth dispels the cloud of darkness. The scriptures were never meant to be the source of truth, but point you in the right direction

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Aknaton

Jesus says, "Come to me all you who are burdened and heavy laden", You are heavily burdened with so much spiritual knowledge and have not obtained rest from it. You carry so much spiritual knowledge in your back, yet you are still searching. He says to you to come and drink water from a fountain and you will never thirst again. Jesus shows so much Love for you.

Sweet. I, personally, have never known anyone searching less than me...or with less burdens.. or more content.
I gave any and every burden to God maybe, um, around 13 years ago....
never made a better decision, by His Grace. Thank you for caring.

Great posts so far, guys...thank you.

[neil]

Originally Posted by davidmartin

But it also says you don't put new wine in old wineskins
The old wineskins represent the concept of God as you mentioned
'Religious' Christianity then is new wine in old wineskins. This truth actually is implied in the New Testament in many places but religion certainly crept in, not helped by Paul's legalistic approach. But if you go beyond that into Mary's son the full truth dispels the cloud of darkness. The scriptures were never meant to be the source of truth, but point you in the right direction

I am led to believe by spirit that your analogy of the old wine skin is incorrect.

The entirety of OT & NT, are ACTUALLY about gods desire for us to have a desire, for God to allow his love & VERY ESSENCE to flow into us, so that our Soul'self can be transformed into the very essence of God & to not just be in his image any more...

....It is all about us being in a state of being, which has us Soul'fully open/receptive, so that God can transform us into the very essence of him self.

& so like everything allegorical within scripture, the old wine skins represents the "unclean Soul'self/chalice/US", which need to be made anew....
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..."ANEW"
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adverbLITERARY
in a new or different and typically more positive way.
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God wants to pour his very essence..(fresh wine)..into us the Soul'self, but we need to be clean of thought/mind/Soul'self, before his very essence can fully take hold within us.

It takes a repenting Soul'self who wants to be washed clean, we can not be like the "old wine skin" because fresh wine will be spoilt within us...GOD CAN NOT POUR HIS LOVE & VERY ESSENCE INTO AN UNCLEAN PERSON.
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Mathew 9....

16..No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. For the patch will pull away from the garment, and a worse tear will result.

17...Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
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Regards Neil.

God