What are you meditating for?

For us crazy spiritual people, meditation is a staple of emotional wellbeing....It has been shown in many studies that the benefits of meditation are many and effective.......but then what about the paradox of the whole thing?

If we practice, it is for the sole purpose in bringing about a change in ourselves, but ultimately it is this attempt to change that is the root cause of the problem. Therefore no matter how many hours we sit, the solution will never come. In fact, ANY desire to meditate for spiritual reasons negates any possibility of nourishment, but will give a nice relaxed feeling in the body and will help us be calmer and more effective.

What I'm suggesting is that meditation is for beginners who don't understand that it is impossible to understand...if that makes sense...Otherwise why would you even try?
It is a purely physical thing that enables us to be content with the material portion of reality. Once this is complete...then we can start to mature.

Meditate to relax and heal the body of course...but if we don't finish with the practice at some point, we are doomed to failure.....We have to drop all ideas of it so that we can see though our own eyes rather than the eyes of a pedestalled sage.

There is no enlightenment! There are no Gods, no spirits, no evolution, no peace, no practice that can help us evolve.....As long as we have these ideas in our heads....no chance.

Spirituality has been commercialised, *******ised, corrupted, packaged and sold to us, and since we tend to follow like sheep, the community has paid a heavy price.

I believe that for many of us....meditation is our form of entertainment....Hugh Hefner gets his from taking advantage of pretty girls who love money so much that they abandon their integrity (the girls get theirs from the inverse), and we get ours from sitting quietly....at a fundamental level, there is no difference between the two.

[Frederick33]

oh deary me , I just realized some of us are not all of us :-)

never really thought they where in fact :-)

I'm not sure what you mean buy that :/

If it is that I'm not spiritual like you then you are right!!!

[God-Like]

Meditation for me was simply something that became me .

I needed to self enquire and find my self .

Naturally I felt that I needed to remove myself from the so called outside world and go inwards .

Meditation is a means to go within ..


x daz x

In what way did meditation become you?

You don't need to find yourself, you are right there in front of your computer. If I was standing beside you I'd point and say, "there you are." Then we'd be done with the whole thing and go get something to eat and be merry.

No need for inner work, There is no inner or outer world.
How can we possibly be oneness or nothingness if we have inner and outer?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Argento

In what way did meditation become you?

When something arises in relation to self then that something becomes you . If happiness arises then happiness becomes you . Meditation was arising within me, all I had to do was shut my eyes . Meditation was a state of mind that became me, rather than something I sort out .

Originally Posted by Argento

You don't need to find yourself, you are right there in front of your computer. If I was standing beside you I'd point and say, "there you are." Then we'd be done with the whole thing and go get something to eat and be merry.

Pointing at me saying I am there can be no more than pointing to what is there . What one relates to what is there can differ . Contemplating on what is being pointed to/at within meditation can eventually bring about realizations to that effect .

Meditation can take one beyond one's intellectual reasoning in regards to what is there . So all though I am here, there is no reference to what we are beyond here . Finding one's self is realizing what is beyond here . Try doing that within the noise and drama of life .

Originally Posted by Argento

No need for inner work, There is no inner or outer world.
How can we possibly be oneness or nothingness if we have inner and outer?

Inners and outers, everything and nothing are reference points within the whole . The inner self can be related to the unconscious self .. Meditation can bring what is unconscious/ unknown/ unrealized to the fore . Going within is likened to becoming aware of what one is currently unaware of . Like I mentioned above, not realizing what you are beyond that which is appearing here and now can become realized when one bridges the gap .

Meditation is likened to the bridge and as one journeys across the bridge the gap lessens ..


x daz x

Originally Posted by God-Like

Finding one's self is realizing what is beyond here . Try doing that within the noise and drama of life
x daz x

Trying to find oneself IS the noise and drama of life.

There is no bridge and no gap....Spirituality gave you the gap. I have no gap (sounds dirty) I just look you in the eyes and say hello, one person to another.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Argento

Trying to find oneself IS the noise and drama of life.

There is no bridge and no gap....Spirituality gave you the gap. I have no gap (sounds dirty) I just look you in the eyes and say hello, one person to another.

My meditation practice/d is not the same as the noise and drama of life I can assure you .

Perhaps you have made no distinction for yourself between the noise and the silence .

If there is no supposed gap between the unrealized self and the realized self then there would be no realization had .


x daz x

[VinceField]

Originally Posted by Argento

Trying to find oneself IS the noise and drama of life.

There is no bridge and no gap....Spirituality gave you the gap. I have no gap (sounds dirty) I just look you in the eyes and say hello, one person to another.

The idea is that people get lost in the noise and drama of life due to ignorance and delusion. The purpose a spiritual path in which one aims to "find oneself" is that it allows them to step out of that noise and drama; it allows them to develop the perspective to remove their identification with the noise and drama. This brings freedom from that noise and drama. There is no longer identification with it, it no longer burdens the mind. It is met with peace and inner well-being, and the wisdom has been gained that is then used to transform this noise and drama into love and learning experiences for oneself and others, rather than adding to the conglomeration of distraction and negativity in the mind.

Wow! You sure put a lot of work into your replies. I'm afraid mine may be a little unsatisfactory in comparison.

Everything you tell me, I have heard before from a guru or a book. These are other people's words being typed by your hands, because they are in your mind...same as everyone else, including myself.

Every word and thought in our minds is conditioning. We didn't decide to learn English, or to brush our teeth. We saw and copied, because it was useful. This means that every thought of spirituality or every instance we sat in meditation, we copied someone else...Then we call other people sheeple for going along with the mass opinion not understanding how we are exactly the same.

We can't get away from copying,
If you meditate, you copy. Spiritual people are just people after all