How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkwa_s2zmAQ

"With Julia Mossbridge, Donald Hoffman, Edward Frenkel, Anthony Aguirre, Federico Faggin; facilitated by Deepak Chopra.

Five different scientists with varying views of consciousness or mind. This panel will be a conversation between these different views to understand their contributions, and to see how they understand each other, and how they relate to other theories of consciousness. The point is to have a genuine deep dialogue between scientific theories of consciousness, to find commonalities, and the meaning of the differences. We will explore whether scientific theories have a consensus about anything relating to consciousness, like an operating definition of consciousness. This panel will be facilitated with an eye from the nondual view of consciousness, to ask questions and address issues in the study of consciousness that can help in looking deeper into the assumptions and conclusions of each theory."

[iamthat]

This sounds like the story of the five blind men feeling an elephant and trying to describe it.

If people seriously want to understand consciousness then maybe they should start by studying the Yogis of India who have spent decades exploring their own consciousness.

Peace

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkwa_s2zmAQ

"With Julia Mossbridge, Donald Hoffman, Edward Frenkel, Anthony Aguirre, Federico Faggin; facilitated by Deepak Chopra.

Five different scientists with varying views of consciousness or mind. This panel will be a conversation between these different views to understand their contributions, and to see how they understand each other, and how they relate to other theories of consciousness. The point is to have a genuine deep dialogue between scientific theories of consciousness, to find commonalities, and the meaning of the differences. We will explore whether scientific theories have a consensus about anything relating to consciousness, like an operating definition of consciousness. This panel will be facilitated with an eye from the nondual view of consciousness, to ask questions and address issues in the study of consciousness that can help in looking deeper into the assumptions and conclusions of each theory."

Hi, JustASimpleGuy,

How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness?....this close:
http://holofractal.net/introduction/

Excerpted from the paragraph, Nature's Guiding Principle: The fractal-holographic universe is a geometric understanding of reality and thus represents a divergence from the assumption of a universe composed of subatomic particles towards a recognition of nature’s underlying patterns. Both the inner and the outer world can thus be described as pattern-based systems through geometric shape, proportion or principle.

...and if you were to take a look at the individual posts which amplify the introductory articles, you may be as amazed as I, to recognize the symmetry of consensus emerging from what "appears" to be from separate sources (i.e. the 2 URLs we've contributed herein).

In addition to what you've provided in your reference: (which I'm very much enjoying!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkwa_s2zmAQ, there is, at point 15:14 into the discussion of your YouTube, the following sentence which is uttered: "Consciousness is the context that gives meaning to information". THAT is the symmetry between our respective sources that is reflected in the sub-articles below. (it's uncanny)!

Spiral Vortex Meditation
Consciousness and The Brain in a Fractal-Holographic Universe
The Schwarzschild Proton
Renormalization
The Quest for Quantum Gravity
The Unified Space Memory Network
The Biocrystal

How close? Everywhere at once.

....or as I'm fond of saying Ever here, Even Now.

Enjoy!

[guthrio]

Please disregard this as a duplicate to my post immediately above. Thanks...

Originally Posted by guthrio

Hi, JustASimpleGuy,

How Close is Science to Understanding Consciousness?....this close:
http://holofractal.net/introduction/

Excerpted from the paragraph, Nature's Guiding Principle: The fractal-holographic universe is a geometric understanding of reality and thus represents a divergence from the assumption of a universe composed of subatomic particles towards a recognition of nature’s underlying patterns. Both the inner and the outer world can thus be described as pattern-based systems through geometric shape, proportion or principle.

...and if you were to take a look at the individual posts which amplify the introductory articles, you may be as amazed as I, to recognize the symmetry of consensus emerging from what "appears" to be from separate sources (i.e. the 2 URLs we've contributed herein).

In addition to what you've provided in your reference: (which I'm very much enjoying!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkwa_s2zmAQ, there is, at point 15:14 into the discussion of your YouTube, the following sentence which is uttered: "Consciousness is the context that gives meaning to information". THAT is the symmetry between our respective sources that is reflected in the sub-articles below. (it's uncanny)!

Spiral Vortex Meditation
Consciousness and The Brain in a Fractal-Holographic Universe
The Schwarzschild Proton
Renormalization
The Quest for Quantum Gravity
The Unified Space Memory Network
The Biocrystal

How close? Everywhere at once.

....or as I'm fond of saying Ever here, Even Now.

Enjoy!

Since we're talking fractals...

Here's an interview with Stuart Hameroff on the Penrose/Hameroff Orch OR (Orchestrated Objective Reduction) hypothesis of consciousness. Roger Penrose is arguably the top theoretician on the fine scale geometry of space.

https://youtu.be/YpUVot-4GPM?list=PL...XfywQvhBzzdrQA

"Dr. Stuart Hameroff is a Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona. Together with British quantum physicist Sir Roger Penrose, Hameroff is the co-author of the controversial Orch OR model of consciousness."

Roger Penrose is a mathematical physicist, mathematician and philosopher of science. He's absolutely brilliant.

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Since we're talking fractals...

Here's an interview with Stuart Hameroff on the Penrose/Hameroff Orch OR (Orchestrated Objective Reduction) hypothesis of consciousness. Roger Penrose is arguably the top theoretician on the fine scale geometry of space.

https://youtu.be/YpUVot-4GPM?list=PL...XfywQvhBzzdrQA

"Dr. Stuart Hameroff is a Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona. Together with British quantum physicist Sir Roger Penrose, Hameroff is the co-author of the controversial Orch OR model of consciousness."

Roger Penrose is a mathematical physicist, mathematician and philosopher of science. He's absolutely brilliant.

Hi JustASimpleGuy,

I enjoyed finally looking at the YouTube video of Dr. Hameroff's work with Sir Roger Penrose.

It occurred to me that the persistent "blind spot" in many scientists', and my own (not being a scientist), work to understand consciousness is the tendency to forget (IMO) that, like Einstein's "happiest moment of my life", upon encapsulating years worth of effort in the "simple" formula E=MC2, describing the relationship between light, mass, and matter,

....the effort to do so occurred within Consciousness...not without it. The answer(s) to the question(s) being explored have awaited them (and us)....since the foundation of time, in Creation.

....within us. The real answers still hinge upon discovering Who is this being (that I am) that is conscious of being conscious?

Discover the Who within, and the How and Why answers will make themselves known.

...as I continue seeking to understand...(I think Nassim would agree) Per the following from the article The Unified Space Memory Network (per reference below):

Thus intelligence itself, and the mind’s ability for abstract reasoning, does not necessarily belong to the individual biological system, but may be understood as the result of this underlying non-local information field. The same may be true of memory: our brains behave much like electromagnetic transceivers which may be able to tune into our own resonance points left behind in four dimensional space. Yet, as both past and future are but resonance imprints and unrealized potential, they are both subject to your geometric perspective of the present moment, and may change and rearrange according to your ever new position in the cosmic fractal.

Reference: http://holofractal.net/2015/02/20/th...field-of-life/

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by guthrio

....the effort to do so occurred within Consciousness...not without it. The answer(s) to the question(s) being explored have awaited them (and us)....since the foundation of time, in Creation.

within the quote the word time greatly stood out to me, reminded me of the Yugas as they relate to objective human consciousness and to the following quote of continually, minutely (subjective), realized human potentiual: "Such is the great influence of Time which governs the universe. No man can overcome this influence except him who, blessed with the pure love, the heavenly gift of nature, becomes divine; being baptized in the sacred stream Pranava (the holy Aum vibration), he comprehends the Kingdom of God. - pg. 15, ph.2, The Holy Science, Swami Sri Yukteswar

[guthrio]

Please ignore this post, as a duplicate of the one immediately below...

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by Dustin

within the quote the word time greatly stood out to me, reminded me of the Yugas as they relate to objective human consciousness and to the following quote of continually, minutely (subjective), realized human potentiual: "Such is the great influence of Time which governs the universe. No man can overcome this influence except him who, blessed with the pure love, the heavenly gift of nature, becomes divine; being baptized in the sacred stream Pranava (the holy Aum vibration), he comprehends the Kingdom of God. - pg. 15, ph.2, The Holy Science, Swami Sri Yukteswar

Dustin,

...long time no see!

I agree with your quotation of Sri Yukteswar's words in The Holy Science, and the words of his guru Lahiri Mahasaya "...Meditate unceasingly, that you quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, which our friend, Miss Hepburn uses in her own signature.

....beholding one's Self to be as one has always been is the gift that eternally awaits our acceptance that I AM THAT.

Even while we question, the answer remains the Same for All, and for all Time.

[SolXx]

have reviewed this concept. and your directions for further study's. Not one of them can find a solution. Ask each of those 5 one question and get back to this tread line for there individual answers please. "How can identical twins have the same thoughts the same emotions even being separated at birth 40 years later?"

If a single one of them answers NOT about vibrational frequency patterns? then they perhaps are fraudulent in there assumptions. (Edit here); given bio-chem genetic engineering on the cellular level involving engrams of the genetic hosts.

I do applaude you for presenting 5 different aspects of the riddle so that others may question and then seek a solution.