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Old 13-09-2021, 12:25 AM
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As for the two golden cherubs, which are depicted as winged bulls on the lid of the covenant box, they remain on the box, which remains in the cave where Jeremiah hid them.

It amazes me that no one from the Jewish faith, have questioned my description of the winged cherubs on the lid of the Covenant box.

In what image do the Jews depict the winged creatures in the Holy of Holies, beneath whose outstretched wings, stood the Covenant box, with the two smaller cherubs on it's lid?

Does anyone from the Jewish faith actually know, where the description of the cherubs, which are of the chariot of God, is to be found in their bible?

1 Chronicles 28: 18; Hebrew bible.

יח וּלְמִזְבַּח הַקְּטֹרֶת זָהָב מְזֻקָּק, בַּמִּשְׁקָל; וּלְתַבְנִית הַמֶּרְכָּבָה, הַכְּרוּבִים זָהָב לְפֹרְשִׂים, וְסֹכְכִים, עַל-אֲרוֹן בְּרִית-יְהוָה. 18 and for the altar of incense refined gold by weight; and gold for the pattern of the chariot, even the cherubim, that spread out their wings, and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD.

Moses, King David, his son Solomon, and the high priests who were allowed into the Holy of Holies knew in what form the cherubim were depicted, as did the Philistines who captured the ark of the Covenant. See 1 Samuel 4: 1-11.

The identification of cherubim as winged humans, whether adults or children, is found in early Jewish and Christian visual art. One example is found in an illuminated Hebrew manuscript from northern France, dated to 1277–1286, and shows the tabernacle ark cherubim as childlike creatures with six wings each.

The Talmud offers several interpretations of the symbolism of the cherubs. One suggestion (b. Chagigah 13; b. Sukkah 5b) connects the face of the cherub with that of a child, although Jewish tradition has interpreted the Cherubs to represent anything from a bird, to a child, to a man, woman to an angel, but none agree with the description given in their own bible.

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Old 13-09-2021, 06:18 PM
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I've been gripped by the "Curse of Oak Island" programmes about treasure hunters looking for the Ark and other treasures at Oak Island in Nova Scotia. The theory is that the Ark was hidden in caves beneath the Temple Mount before the Romans destroyed the Temple in AD 70. Then the Templars discovered it again and it became part of their treasures until they were being persecuted and was sent to Oak Island where it was buried in a booby-trapped pit. Is it true? There's a lot of ifs and buts in the story but a fascinating watch anyway.
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Old 13-09-2021, 09:30 PM
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I've been gripped by the "Curse of Oak Island" programmes about treasure hunters looking for the Ark and other treasures at Oak Island in Nova Scotia. Is it true?
Let me refer you back to post #18. Personally, I prefer to believe God's prophet Jeremiah who said, " ‘No one must know about this place until God gathers his people together again and shows them mercy. At that time he will reveal where these things are hidden, and the dazzling light of his presence will be seen in the cloud, as it was in the time of Moses and on the occasion when Solomon prayed that the Temple might be dedicated in holy splendour.’

Besides all that, it was not on the temple mount that Jeremiah hid the ark, but on the mountain east of the Jordan in the land of Moab, where Moses climbed to gaze upon the promised land, upon which mountain he died at the age of 120, according to the command of God.

Moses was forbidden to ever enter into the promised land, because he had refused to acknowledge the Lord's power at the waters of Meribah.

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Old 22-09-2021, 03:37 AM
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Moses was forbidden to ever enter into the promised land, because he had refused to acknowledge the Lord's power at the waters of Meribah.

Are there any of the Jewish faith, or the Christian faith for that matter, who know why Moses was forbidden entry into the promised land?

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Old 28-09-2021, 03:46 AM
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The people were doing what people like to do and that was complaining instead of praising Yahweh for all he had done for them. This specific time, the people were complaining because there was no water.

Moses used his rod (magic stick) as Yahweh had commanded and brought forth water. While doing this, Moses and Aaron both forgot to praise Yahweh for this miracle. Because of this, Yahweh told them that because they did not have faith and sanctify him, Yahweh would not allow them to enter the promised land.
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Old 28-09-2021, 09:03 PM
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The people were doing what people like to do and that was complaining instead of praising Yahweh for all he had done for them.

Most Christians seem to believe that it was because Moses struck the rock twice, instead of once, in so doing lacked the faith that the Lord would release the water with just the one strike, but you are correct, it had nothing to do with striking the rock with Aarons rod, and everything with what Moses said, as revealed in the GNB, Psalms 106: 32-33; the people made Moses so mad with all their complaining, they made him so bitter that he spoke without thinking and was in trouble because of what he said.

And what he said is found in Numbers 20: 10; "Listen, you rebels! Do we (Moses and Aaron) have to get water out of this rock for you." In that, they stole the Lord's thunder, for it was He and He alone, who had the power to bring water from the rock.

May our God preserve you John.

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