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Old 27-11-2018, 06:43 PM
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Worlds oldest practices

Religion, along with science, theater, court (which used to revolve around 'freedom' or being 'sped up', otherwise known today as 'vices'...which sadly is still applicable today, when a person gets arrested for driving on the sidewalk, but was really just making a u-turn. The person generally is suffering through something unfortunate, like depression) and culture originated from Sanskirt during a time when the world wasn't divided by the actual physical lines drawn of city-states, and nationalism, where people forget that the way were are bound to each other comes from the past, often unseen to the visible eyes. The land contained bridges, and people throughout the world were capable of communicating with each other. I'm suspicious that the labels of ancient places represented ideas and philosophies, and people looked similar to one another, and understood their identities as equal. Imagine a world where people live their life as its meant to be? Human beings all feel, and have abilities and purpose beyond the walls of the modern world. imagine the Earth a whole, kind of how the continents fit together like a puzzle.

The first religion was Sufism. It was a mystic Religion which other Religions evolved from. Religion became an institution.. Naturally there are many voices within an institution, with different motives. Why are we still fighting over Religion in the world? It was created to teach. Same with science, or court. It evolved from many different voices; historically, we understand that law reinforcement has been problematic but also positive, why do we still experience issues with law enforcement? Consider Science, science has been used for progress through this jungle, but has also been used to manipulate and lie.

Why does the world accept that science and court have been flawed, but when one questions the motives of modern Religious institutions, the ambiance around that person become fervent and everyone becomes uneasy? Clearly we see the evolution of stories throughout history and Religious philosophy that teaches us how to live a better life. Whats the deal with the other stuff? What is it about Religion, and the history of those who yield power, and their bones which still bound us to bad ideas, that creates so much trouble in the world? What happens to these people and why are they so hard to reach? What is it about the history and of these places that maintain powers that literally enslave people.

What can we do to bridge the gap between what is written for truth, and is written to maintain chaos, which creates storms that are ultimate in certain places of the world. Places where the dust is too thick for the stars?

What can WE do?
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Old 27-11-2018, 07:00 PM
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I tend to think of the Crusades, when the 'East' and 'West' split. The three most powerful cultures, Western Christendom, Byzantium and Islam drew further apart, but many of the elite maintained bounds to each other. Society closed off from each other, and I wonder if the elite maintained their relationships in some way? Consider the shadowy shiftiness of the those in power. It the middle ages, which we recognize as roguish and violent, also saw the beauty of poetry. The nectar fed to people often lied, cheated and created group-thought that incensed people over things like 'witchcraft' or 'heathenism'. Why did this happen? Clearly motives involved. Walls are built to keep people out, but the reason for walls often includes violence and danger.

Where did the nectar come from? How did the the brotherhood of bones, speaking in dizzles dialect, build walls around people. I sometimes wonder about what is behind those walls, and how aristocratic assemblies, the monarchs, merchants and barons who were involved with each other, admonished information (books, and knowledge of the past), and what their purpose was? What was so important about hiding things from the free?

I pose this question, how did FREE (meaning not enslaved or bound to a lord) people lose their autonomous decision making? Why is the world becoming more and more centralized, as it was in the past?
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Old 27-11-2018, 09:23 PM
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....Good point. In the 8th century middle ages, an area in Salzburg saw 237 FREE peasant holding be absorbed into 50 greater estates. The jaunty church people, lords and Dukes were pleased into this absorption.
.....This process continued with venerable self infliction from hierarchies in other areas. Where people were, as you said, BOUND to their lords, basically owing their dues. Paying a levy and living in a culture (which pdizzle mentioned as a social construct which creates institutions). Right, culture, something created through ART (art, meaning a means to manipulate in this case).

1.Skip some years. The 13th century. Agriculture began to stagnate, with this the FREE peasants position, not so free anymore.
2.Strangely, English nobility were basically the first to turn agriculture into INDUSTRY. Think Merchents.
3.Weird? Possible this 'nobility' hand contributed to the stagnation, allowing them to lend their voice about the importance of 'nobility' to take over and save the day.
4. The term sheep is applied. basically the middle man in todays lingo.
5. Another weird face. East and West split, Byzantium (East) and English nobility ( "West" wink). In the 12th century, diplomatic contacts began between Byzantium and England.
6. Did they both have interest agriculture? What does the modern world corporate structure look like to ya? Lots of agriculture I believe.
7. What types of rights do we have in corporate structured economies?

I ponder....
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Old 27-11-2018, 10:44 PM
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13th century consolidation of agriculture ,you say? It began earlier then that. Agriculturally history is unstable, even today, where working conditions for the poor or agricultural workers are terrible with oversight that continues to become more centralized, as you said BrokenCrown.

Reminds me of Roman Thermopolias (modern day McDonalds), the original fast food restaurants for the poor.

Apicius was a recipe book written during Roman times. It explored recipes for fish, a how to salt blood to mask the taste of something. SALT, I think, is a euphemism for anything that masks a flavor or taste familiar that would make a person sick.

The recipe called for the breakdown on proteolytic enzymes, which are present in fish...and oddly, human salivia.

Water was drawn from the tissue of the FISH through osmosis. This created the "Sauce of the Provinces", otherwise known as garum or allec.

It was the Fish-"salting" industry. I don't see what is flavorful about abstracting sauce from fish tissue....its likely the sauce interacted with spiritual constitution of the body, which interacts with the environment. What you eat affects how you feel, think and can lead to behavior that is good-natured.

Pliny, says, indeed, mackral (fish), whatever fish means, is used only for garum.

It was said that this juice must overflow Spain.

The tariff of AD 202 placed a 2.5% tariff on Spanish exports, establishing into law this criteria. Often, historical criteria carries over through the centuries. Therefore many ideas, constitutions (genoa, magna carta,etc.) religions and other philosophies (where do i begin?) are still applicable today.
Spain read differently on a map back then.

Edict of AD 301 separated garum (which smelled of sped up fish) and liquamen.

Really examine the language of the agriculturally industry.

Why are thermpolias, no, fast food restaurants, ubiquitous amongst poorer areas still today? How unhealthy are the foods we are eating, and what is the theater behind the advertising industry, bound to principles from the past.

Eastern Rome was the Byzantium, as mentioned by BrokenCrown. I'm not sure here, but what is the relationship the deput of agriculture in the 13th century, where English barons took over the agriculturally industry, and the diplomatic relations that started in the late 12th century between this 'nobility' wink, and the Byzantium?

How many McDonalds, Burger King, Checkers have you passed today? A miles stretch produces atleast two McDonalds.

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Old 28-11-2018, 07:40 AM
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Yoga is one of the world's most ancient practices.

There are seals from Mojendro Dharo in the Indus Valley showing a being seated in moolbhandasana (root chakra lock) also, there are commentaries on oneness and wholeness in the Rig Veda (5,000 - 10,000 BCE).

Shamanism and animism is also one of the oldest (if not the oldest) spiritual practices with people believing in spirits and the unseen world.

So, what happened to cause the centralisation of values? Christianity, disease, scientific rationalism and the capitalist West happened... that's what.

Missionaries started converting what were seen with biased religious zeal as "barbaric savages". That happened during the "Dark Ages" (probably why it was called thus).

Influenza, tuberculosis and syphilis wiped out about half the world's ancient population because they had no resistance to it, science came in then and called the beliefs of the old cultures and ways "superstitious" and "backward" and so people stopped their culture and rituals in the name of "progressive attitude" and much knowledge about the healing powers of medicinal plants was lost.

Lastly, those who lived in poverty, sought to emulate the ways of countries like USA and Europe (Rome and Greece during the Renaissance) as they believed it would bring all the prosperity THEY had.

Internal values were swapped for external ones, humanity became socially based as opposed to traditionally based, books started getting printed and knowledge became the property of those who could afford it..

Wars and pestilence killed off half the world's population again, with many wars fought on either religious or territorial issues, as soon as all those "lines on a map" were created...and the Crusades did a great job of making martyrs out of those who weren't Christian anyway.

The Church of England was established, Martin Luther drew up the reformation... anybody who was considered a "witch" was killed, when that was all just political anyway...and the true Barbarians were the ones who killed all the other Barbarians for being barbaric..

...and the rest, we say is history.
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Here's a fun fact.

The Nile River means = World
Nile meant Africa, but Africa meant Egypt. Therefore, Nile=Africa=Egypt=World, all the same.

West Nile, West Egyptian virus. Do the origins of RNA viruses date all the way back to ancient Egypt?
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:39 AM
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Here's a fun fact.

The Nile River means = World
Nile meant Africa, but Africa meant Egypt. Therefore, Nile=Africa=Egypt=World, all the same.

West Nile, West Egyptian virus. Do the origins of RNA viruses date all the way back to ancient Egypt?
Would you like another fun fact?

In the Indo-Aryan languages, "Nile" actually means "blue" and the River Nile is/was called such, because it is blue.

Of course I learned that due to the story of Lord Shiva being called "Nilokanth" which means "blue-throated" and also after the various species of blue lotuses which grow IN the Nile River...but that is a story for another day.
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Does that mean the west-nile virus is blue?
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Old 13-12-2018, 07:52 AM
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Religion, along with science, theater, court (which used to revolve around 'freedom' or being 'sped up', otherwise known today as 'vices'...which sadly is still applicable today, when a person gets arrested for driving on the sidewalk, but was really just making a u-turn. The person generally is suffering through something unfortunate, like depression) and culture originated from Sanskirt during a time when the world wasn't divided by the actual physical lines drawn of city-states, and nationalism, where people forget that the way were are bound to each other comes from the past, often unseen to the visible eyes. The land contained bridges, and people throughout the world were capable of communicating with each other. I'm suspicious that the labels of ancient places represented ideas and philosophies, and people looked similar to one another, and understood their identities as equal. Imagine a world where people live their life as its meant to be? Human beings all feel, and have abilities and purpose beyond the walls of the modern world. imagine the Earth a whole, kind of how the continents fit together like a puzzle.

The first religion was Sufism. It was a mystic Religion which other Religions evolved from. Religion became an institution.. Naturally there are many voices within an institution, with different motives. Why are we still fighting over Religion in the world? It was created to teach. Same with science, or court. It evolved from many different voices; historically, we understand that law reinforcement has been problematic but also positive, why do we still experience issues with law enforcement? Consider Science, science has been used for progress through this jungle, but has also been used to manipulate and lie.

Why does the world accept that science and court have been flawed, but when one questions the motives of modern Religious institutions, the ambiance around that person become fervent and everyone becomes uneasy? Clearly we see the evolution of stories throughout history and Religious philosophy that teaches us how to live a better life. Whats the deal with the other stuff? What is it about Religion, and the history of those who yield power, and their bones which still bound us to bad ideas, that creates so much trouble in the world? What happens to these people and why are they so hard to reach? What is it about the history and of these places that maintain powers that literally enslave people.

What can we do to bridge the gap between what is written for truth, and is written to maintain chaos, which creates storms that are ultimate in certain places of the world. Places where the dust is too thick for the stars?

What can WE do?


I recently came upon the works of an Iranian philosopher called Abdolkarim Soroush . He stated thus...

'It is impossible to advance new theories... when you are under the influence of a particular view, or under the pressure of a particular dogma.'


'Islam, or any religion, will become totalitarian if it is made into an ideology, because that is the nature of ideologies.'


'Human beings can remain spiritual and religious while enjoying the benefits of rational administration of their affairs.'




This wise Iranian muslim philosopher here states the difference between religion and religious ideology .

Religion is progressive while religious ideology is regressive, due to its stifling nature and dogmas. The Dark Ages in Europe, the Taliban/Isis and regressive practices like sati and casteism in Hinduism are examples of this.

Political ideologies are most effective and efficient for humanity's welfare when they are secular and rational.
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