A thought, dimensions vs powers

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Maybe the wave's with is its phase.

In the quoted statement when you said “with” I'm guessing you meant to say “within” in relation to the wave dimension that I referred to as going within.

I realized when I wrote about pressure zones I didn't do it very well; to correct the mistake I'll provide a couple links about what pressure zones are and the links well also provide other information on Walter Russell.

To respond to your statement: no, the dimension which I referred to as going within is not relation to what a phase is.

pressure zone image link:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...34112741989144

wave octive image for prediction of elements:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...34113367117944

gravity/energy interaction with wave image:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...34113141077256

for the orginal link to the rest of walter russells stuff I could find it but if you want to learn more about his work just google it.

[r6r6]

Originally Posted by Dustin

In the quoted statement when you said “with” I'm guessing you meant to say “within” in relation to the wave dimension that I referred to as going within more about his work just google it.

Your probably correct but I have no recall of that statement or the context of why it was stated.


It reminds of a post I recently made in another forum. Consider the initial set of circumstances in the Big Bang of Universe/God.


Some suggest something from nothing. Rather than nothing I would have you consider a sine-wave /\/\/ or as ^v^v of some medium --EMRadiation{ photon }--- that ultra-long wave ergo it would appear as being flat i.e. it has very low peaks/highs and lows/troughs ergo very low amplitude.


Ultra-long wave = ultra-low frequency so could be likened to a dead/inactive Universe/God but not a non-existent sine-wave pattern.


So some say there was a quantum fluctuation that caused the Big Bang. An again, this is just a very simplistic view I'm offering.



__________________ = very flat sine-wave i.e ultra-low frequency/energy.


So quantum infers quanta ergo a finite integrity. Ergo a finite distance/length within the ultra-flat sine-wave pattern



_____ from here >|______________|< to here______


So if the finite quanta distance/length fluctuates, we could perhaps shorten the distance ---ergo shorter frequency equal higher energy----. We could also say that a peak and or trough amplitude becomes higher ergo;


______from here >|__/\__| < to here______


To be clear here, peaks/highs and lows/troughs of a sine-wave, as best as I understand, represent amplitude and that represents more or less photons or whatever medium were considering.



So the the frequency remains the same distance but the more quanta being measured will increase the height of the peaks and troughs.


Do you understand what Im saying there? Frequency is the distance between this peak and next peak and that frequency can remain the same as we raise or lower the number of quanta ergo the amplitude goes higher ergo the peak and trough go higher.


Out-of-phase has to do with two sine-wave patterns of the same medium that are not in sync with each other, they are out of step with other like a couple who are dancing together in rythmic step but when their not in synch their out of rhythmic phase.


In a finite Universe/God, entropy is believed to eventually lead to one, very ultra-long wave i.e. long frequency, low energy single photon. So in the scenario above, if we were dealing with a photon, then there is at minimum two sine-wave patterns, at 90 degrees + to each other.


Electric sine-wave |


Magnetic sine-wave --


Ergo -|-

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Your probably correct but I have no recall of .....

shoot sorry I had not intended to quote you that was another persons statement; I'll fix it now thanks.

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Maybe the wave's with is its phase.

In the quoted statement when you said “with” I'm guessing you meant to say “within” in relation to the wave dimension that I referred to as going within.

I realized when I wrote about pressure zones I didn't do it very well; to correct the mistake I'll provide a couple links about what pressure zones are and the links well also provide other information on Walter Russell.

To respond to your statement: no, the dimension which I referred to as going within is not relation to what a phase is.

pressure zone image link:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...34112741989144

wave octive image for prediction of elements:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...34113367117944

gravity/energy interaction with wave image:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...34113141077256

for the orginal link to the rest of walter russells stuff I could find it but if you want to learn more about his work just google it.[

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Ultra-long wave = ultra-low frequency so could be likened to a dead/inactive Universe/God but not a non-existent sine-wave pattern.

Here is the conundrum. Higher frequencies are beneficial to the individual but low frequency is what results from meditation. Solution: high frequency waves / higher energy regions help to break bonding energy ie separation of self from source.

What if our senses see low frequencies as low energy but only because we make up such a small portion of the whole of manifestation. What if wave length is the same proportional to self at different scales.

Originally Posted by r6r6r

To be clear here, peaks/highs and lows/troughs of a sine-wave, as best as I understand, represent amplitude and that represents more or less photons or whatever medium were considering.

So the the frequency remains the same distance but the more quanta being measured will increase the height of the peaks and troughs.

Do you understand what I’m saying there?

Yes I understand, thank you for putting it into words that make sense at my level of comprehension. What you seem to be saying is that the frequency can remain the same but the amplitude can change, and that frequency and amplitude are directly correlated to quantities of quanta ie in this case photons.

It makes sense to me that there would be some concern about creating something from nothing.

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Out-of-phase has to do with two sine-wave patterns of the same medium that are not in sync with each other

this I understand as well.

Originally Posted by r6r6r

In a finite Universe/God, entropy is believed to eventually lead to one, very ultra-long wave i.e. long frequency, low energy single photon. So in the scenario above, if we were dealing with a photon, then there is at minimum two sine-wave patterns, at 90 degrees + to each other.

This I understand and agree with as well.

[Dustin]

was a duplicate message, ignore.

[guthrio]

All,

For some time, I have been following your respective discourses, vainly attempting to make sense of the ideas, and the mathematics with which you routinely converse....

...until I found the following references which seem to capture your ideas in a format I can more readily understand.

I offer them to you now for your respective evaluation (or amusement) toward "illuminating" the portions of the holographic / fractal matrix in which you participate.

For me, the portions of the referenced discourses that seem to intersect with "what I believe" you are speaking of include the following:

From the article in the 1st Reference entitled, Holographic Reality of Being (See Morphogenesis & Dynamic Relativity):

Although we experience reality as seemingly separate pieces, the fundamental reality from which that perception arises is that of oneness, whereby nothing is separable from anything else. Each part of the structure, each reality cell, contains some of the existence of all the other reality cells. Thus, each part of the structure is a reflection of the whole.

Since any localized area of existence has the quality of a-where-ness, then a non-localized area of existence, which would be everywhere, would not have a-where-ness, but would have the quality of every-where-ness or no-where-ness. This unbordered every-where-ness is consciousness. Consciousness exists everywhere, and thus no-where. Absolute existence, as we’ve defined it, can be considered as existent nothingness, because it exists without the borders which define a thing. It is no-thing and no-where, because it is everywhere. Absolute existence is consciousness.

Any attempt to transcend the duality of existence inherent to our experience can seem hopeless until one realizes that they are an inseparable part of whatever it is that exists. Therefore, we have access to whatever it is that exists directly because of the inescapable fact that we are that. 13 At the deeper “implicate” level of reality, you are infinitely connected to everything else that is. You are connected to every other person, organism, and atom in the universe; thus, you are all these things. Similarly, your thoughts are infinitely connected to all thoughts. Being that the image of the whole is contained within each part, the whole universe is within you. The information of the whole is distributed non-locally, and therefore you have access to all of it. Your mind is the Universal Mind.

All relative realities are created by consciousness existing in relation to itself. “We are that consciousness. We are that consciousness existing in relation to itself and interacting with itself.” There is nothing else. None of the things we perceive as separate have an independent existence, as all are in actuality relational extensions of the underlying unity of consciousness. “Physical reality is a product of consciousness. Consciousness is not a product of physical reality. Physical reality does not interact with itself in some unknown fashion to cause consciousness to come into existence. Consciousness in the process of repeated and progressive self-relation becomes the awareness of experience, and thus creates physical reality.” 14

We have seen that we cannot directly experience the true texture of quantum reality because everything we look at crystallizes into matter. For the same reason, we can never experience consciousness as consciousness. When the unbordered, structureless-ness of consciousness attempts to look at itself, it creates a relational structure or frame of reference, experienced as a relative state of awareness. Consciousness can only experience itself through its creation. This a wonderful thing because here we are, armed with the understanding that nothing is truly separable from anything else, and experiencing ourselves as all that is. Separateness is an illusion. Fundamentally, your true self is not other than the indestructible, unbordered, structruless-ness of consciousness. To put it another way, you are God. The Universe is your body. The understanding of this truth gives rise to the experience of unconditional LOVE for all frequencies because they all exist within you.

And From the article in the 2nd Reference, entitled, Realm Dynamics (See Vibration, The Fractal Hologram, Phase Selection, and Metaphysics of Realm Dynamics):

The holographic process has metaphysical parallels. The mind of the Creator corresponds to the laser source, archetypes correspond to the objects recorded, and the matrix of existence corresponds to the photographic film. It follows that we as individual units of consciousness are the illuminating laser. The laser’s color is the frequency of our emotions, its phase our thought patterns, and its amplitude our level of intent.

Just as laser color determines the layer of accessible holographic information, so does our emotional nature determine the archetypal range of accessible experience. Of this range, our thoughts determine the particular phase angle from which this archetype is experienced. And the strength of our intent determines how accurately and vividly it manifests.

This is no metaphor; the universe is indeed holographic. But it is also fractal as briefly mentioned. A fractal is infinitely complex and allows inward or outward zooming without limit. Each zoom level inward is a subset of all previous zooms. In our current state, we are zooming into the fractal and perceiving this motion as progress into the future. And naturally the future is a subset of all previous probable futures, though in truth time is illusory because all levels of the fractal exist simultaneously. Once again, this fractal is holographic; we illuminate portions of it in accordance with our emotional nature, thoughts, and intent.

The similarities between these sources, and your own illuminating discussions are uncanny, yes?

While thinking about putting this information in front of us, it occurred to me that Albert Einstein's formula: E=MC2, and the various formulae through which we, as explorers, continue to capture new knowledge....that everything that has been found "2B" true has always been true, even before its discovery by our fellow and sister explorers. Wouldn't you agree?

Am hoping this helps uncover even more awaiting discoveries! I'm looking further to more insight gleaned from your explorations! This is sooooo exciting!

Reference: http://www.gaianxaos.com/holographic...y_of_being.htm

Reference: http://montalk.net/matrix/112/realm-dynamics

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by guthrio

For some time, I have been following your respective discourses, vainly attempting to make sense of the ideas, and the mathematics with which you routinely converse....

Well thank you. that's quiet a statement coming from you because I always remembered all you your posts and treads to be things which where quiet beyond that point of understanding in which I was at at the time in which I had been more active in this forum and reading a lot more.

Tonight I well read what you posted and then respond shortly; I don't have the internet so I usually copy and paste things so that I can read them at home later.

fyi I don't use mathematics because I haven't been trained, I only talk in concepts which I read in books or come up with on my own

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by Dustin

Well thank you. that's quiet a statement coming from you because I always remembered all you your posts and treads to be things which where quiet beyond that point of understanding in which I was at at the time in which I had been more active in this forum and reading a lot more.

Tonight I well read what you posted and then respond shortly; I don't have the internet so I usually copy and paste things so that I can read them at home later.

fyi I don't use mathematics because I haven't been trained, I only talk in concepts which I read in books or come up with on my own

Hello again Dustin,

Always good to converse with you. I must preface my remarks with the caveat that I do not consider myself advanced at all....but I really love reading, and thinking about, things.

....and trying to make sense of them. That's how I've learned that sometimes trying to connect unfamiliar ways of seeing ideas with more familiar ways (and hopefully correctly extrapolating the differences I can understand)...leads me bit, by bit to newer paths. I don't speak math either, but sometimes metaphor suffices quite nicely.

These articles are a gold mine of metaphoric connections. Hope you, and others who choose to read them, find it as useful an exercise as I do (not being a mathematician).

Looking forward....

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by guthrio

The similarities between these sources, and your own illuminating discussions is uncanny, yes?

Yes it is which has become something of continuous experience for me for the past two years, so much lines up from numerous different sources.

Originally Posted by guthrio

While thinking about putting this information in front of us, it occurred to me that Albert Einstein's formula: E=MC2, and the various formulae through which we, as explorers, continue to capture new knowledge....that everything that has been found "2B" true has always been true, even before its discovery by our fellow and sister explorers. Wouldn't you agree?

quiet write, a good broad theory is not a unique creation otherwise it likely would not be true; people continuous reach various points of understanding but typically from different angles.

Originally Posted by guthrio

respective evaluation[: (my responses well be in brackets)]

Originally Posted by guthrio

Although we experience reality as seemingly separate pieces[agreed], the fundamental reality from which that perception arises is that of oneness[agreed], whereby nothing is separable from anything else[agreed]. Each part of the structure, each reality cell[a term I am unfamiliar with but the general intent seems fine], contains some of the existence of all the other reality cells[my understanding is based around consciousness being the substance which creates all other substances and varied in appearance and properties but yes ultimately there is that as something shared at all points of in the structure]. Thus, each part of the structure is a reflection of the whole[from my perspective I would say yes and no to my thought about the truth of the statement; in my model I can say that every point in space and in time of the universe is the exact center of the universe, and oneness is a concept I believe in and make use of].

Since any localized area of existence has the quality of a-where-ness, then a non-localized area of existence, which would be everywhere, would not have a-where-ness, but would have the quality of every-where-ness or no-where-ness[agreed]. This unbordered every-where-ness is consciousness[agreed but so to is everything else]. Consciousness exists everywhere[agreed], and thus no-where[I see what is trying to be stated and would agree with that; it can be related to God. We exist in the fractal of the whole but God is the whole; no one can know God because to know God would require one to be the whole.]. Absolute existence, as we’ve defined it, can be considered as existent nothingness[agreed if that is how the person would prefer to term it], because it exists without the borders which define a thing[without boarders but still finite even though being unimaginably big]. It is no-thing and no-where, because it is everywhere. Absolute existence is consciousness.

Any attempt to transcend the duality of existence inherent to our experience can seem hopeless until one realizes that they are an inseparable part of whatever it is that exists. Therefore, we have access to whatever it is that exists directly because of the inescapable fact that we are that. 13 At the deeper “implicate” level of reality, you are infinitely connected to everything else that is. You are connected to every other person, organism, and atom in the universe; thus, you are all these things[agreed, consciousness is all things and I am nothing more than consciousness]. Similarly, your thoughts are infinitely connected to all thoughts[agreed. Sometimes our thoughts are our own, sometimes there come to us from outside our individualization of Self. Also when things are discovered shifts can happen across humanity with out words.]. Being that the image of the whole is contained within each part[as stated I agree to an extent], the whole universe is within you[completely agree: the whole universe is within you and you are within the universe]. The information of the whole is distributed non-locally[agreed, works though dimensions], and therefore you have access to all of it[agreed]. Your mind is the Universal Mind[no, my mind is very limited but not within all of existence; the Self is the Universal Mind but I currently experience existence as a self; ultimately there is no separation in Self and self].

All relative realities are created by consciousness existing in relation to itself[agreed]. “We are that consciousness. We are that consciousness existing in relation to itself and interacting with itself[agreed].” There is nothing else[agreed]. None of the things we perceive as separate have an independent existence, as all are in actuality relational extensions of the underlying unity of consciousness[agreed]. “Physical reality is a product of consciousness[agreed]. Consciousness is not a product of physical reality[agreed to an extent, it is and it isn't; I believe that consciousness forms physical through a process of solidification so to speak but that that solidified consciousness can become what we recognize as consciousness once again ie a model of reality that is essentially a matter out of mind model but within its creation it is also a matter out of mind, mind out of matter, and mind and matter model of reality]. Physical reality does not interact with itself in some unknown fashion to cause consciousness to come into existence[yes it does, in a part of the structure]. Consciousness in the process of repeated and progressive self-relation becomes the awareness of experience, and thus creates physical reality[I would say that physical matter comes into existence from a loss of awareness in consciousness but then through time it become more aware once again and then exists in us as awareness in a less aware portions of the overall structure].” 14

We have seen that we cannot directly experience the true texture of quantum reality[the author of the self aware universe states that the realm of potentiality that is uncollapsed quanta is our consciousness in non-localized form] because everything we look at crystallizes into matter. For the same reason, we can never experience consciousness as consciousness[disagree; all experience is consciousness experience; ultimate awareness if you want to call it that is the Self ie non-localized consciousness]. When the unbordered, structureless-ness of consciousness attempts to look at itself, it creates a relational structure or frame of reference[I have not yet come to a point where I can state that I have a clear understanding of what caused all to become more complex in structure; I have a couple theories I consider.], experienced as a relative state of awareness[agreed, that is one way to make that statement]. Consciousness can only experience itself through its creation[not sure, the whole awake undivided may be able to experience something prior to division to create the structure]. This a wonderful thing because here we are, armed with the understanding that nothing is truly separable from anything else, and experiencing ourselves as all that is. Separateness is an illusion. Fundamentally, your true self is not other than the indestructible, unbordered, structruless-ness of consciousness. To put it another way, you are God. The Universe is your body.[agreed with all sentences between this bracket and the last one; an older body of writing which states the same thing is the Upanishads] The understanding of this truth gives rise to the experience of unconditional LOVE for all frequencies because they all exist within you.[for some perhaps; for all at a certain level of consciousness]

Originally Posted by guthrio

The holographic process has metaphysical parallels[makes sense]. The mind of the Creator corresponds to the laser source, archetypes correspond to the objects recorded, and the matrix of existence corresponds to the photographic film[I think I follow, seems to be a simile between manifestation of reality and a holographic video?]. It follows that we as individual units of consciousness are the illuminating laser. The laser’s color is the frequency of our emotions, its phase our thought patterns, and its amplitude our level of intent.[?, holograms I believe are a bit different and reality I would model I believe different as well]

Just as laser color determines the layer of accessible holographic information, so does our emotional nature determine the archetypal range of accessible experience. Of this range, our thoughts determine the particular phase angle from which this archetype is experienced. And the strength of our intent determines how accurately and vividly it manifests.[my model of reality is more than just individually created (physical matter in my model is more than just illusion) and such I think it would not quiet line up with this persons thoughts but what is does bring to mind is reading about your description of how the astral works which was something I though was very well put together and beyond a point in which I was at. In short I simply take a different approach to modeling things than this person but I'm sure we are both correct, we just use vocabulary is different ways which creates issues in understanding actual intent.]

This is no metaphor; the universe is indeed holographic.[agreed, it can and has been called that] But it is also fractal as briefly mentioned.[agreed] A fractal is infinitely complex [I get the intent which is correct but the statement could be worded better] and allows inward or outward zooming without limit[if the source was infinite and not finite I would agree with the statement in relation to reality but the finite quality I find to be of use in taking consciousness and creating physical matter]. Each zoom level inward is a subset of all previous zooms. In our current state, we are zooming into the fractal and perceiving this motion as progress into the future.[I do believe in linear and nonlinear within the structure at different points] And naturally the future is a subset of all previous probable futures[yes in linear time this is how time works], though in truth time is illusory[time is no illusion; consciousness I would say does not happen in no time; death is an illusion; time is relative] because all levels of the fractal exist simultaneously[agreed in a version of my model all exists now as it ever well and ever has but consciousness does not experience anything without time and when consciousness is experiencing no time there is no manifest; linear time I would say is a choice at a point within the structure]. Once again, this fractal is holographic; we illuminate portions of it in accordance with our emotional nature, thoughts, and intent.