True Self?

True self?

It seems some members are chasing a goal to be their true selves through various practises. You can see this on various threads where some members even gloat over others with surperiority as their meditational or spiritual ways have led them to now being their true self.

Which is what exactly?

Is this another ploy to get people to not accept who they are right now, this very moment as being true regardless of judgement from themselves and others through conditioning of what is supposed to be spiritual.

Joy, happiness, zen like behaviour? Is this really the true self or is just who you are right now which is ever evolving...the true self you had all along?

There is a danger too which comes with trying to be this spiritual zen like person and that is it has to be maintained and as we know, life isnt like that as it comes with dips, bumps and highs and lows and suppressing how you feel in favour of being spiritual has consequences which just creates anxiety and stress.

Is chasing the idea of a "true self" fruitless? Maybe not as the intention to be better in someway helps us evolve but there has to be a level of acceptance with who you are right now doesnt there?

Would love your thoughts on this elusive true self

I think... the true self is like a polished diamond... every facet is an aspect of the whole self and every blemish a truth about the self... it's not until you cut, polish and reveal the true diamond that you ever find the true self. Along the way, you have to accept and live with every aspect you discover... or you'll never know the whole self.

[hybrid]

if there is a true self, there is a false self.
then, a false self will be the self that take issues with life
and can't accept reality as it is. it thrives in beliefs.
the false self is the self that is undergoing an existential crisis.
the false self represents the cause of human problems both personal and collectively.

then the true self will be the the opposite of the what the false self represents.


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I don't know Shepherd...I've wondered the same. Seems to be like the 'Enlightenment' term.

At the end of the day, for me at least, I don't know...and I don't care. My focus isn't on pondering over these terms or attaining them...my focus is trying to help my body heal and make my way through the world since having had a soul exchange.

if there is a true self, there is a false self.

what if its just a "self" and the labels we give it are just judgements based on what we think is right or wrong?

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by shepherd

what if its just a "self" and the labels we give it are just judgements based on what we think is right or wrong?

how does it work? when a man is beating his wife, we will say leave him alone he is just in his own self.

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[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by hybrid

how does it work? when a man is beating his wife, we will say leave him alone he is just in his own self.
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He is still the same man but he was in an aggressive mode.
Our vices are still a part of us, we can change them but I think externalizations don't deal really with the issue.

In the end all those inner demons and angels are just false characters we have created.
It's not that we don't have good and bad parts, the problems lies in thinking that's it's some force outside of you.
Some of these demons and angels could have evolved in bigger ones/concepts?

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

He is still the same man but he was in an aggressive mode.
Our vices are still a part of us, we can change them but I think externalizations don't deal really with the issue.

of course. but shepherd wanted to drop the labels. i am asking how, when you say we can change, is the improved version of our self make the the wife beating ma the same man or he can acquire a new title, say a loving responsible man?

In the end all those inner demons and angels are just false characters we have created.
It's not that we don't have good and bad parts, the problems lies in thinking that's it's some force outside of you.
Some of these demons and angels could have evolved in bigger ones/concepts?

in the end these things define the self. the self is the reflection of all these going ons. it's not that there is a self that all these things is happening to it.

iow, we can't avoid labeling the self because it has a qualitative aspect. the quality of it as an activity.

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[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by hybrid

when you say we can change, is the improved version of our self make the the wife beating ma the same man or he can acquire a new title, say a loving responsible man?

He's the same man but his title can change.
His vices and virtues are more like verbs instead of nouns.

Yes the qualities are part of the self and define the self in a way. But still these are all illusions as they can change. The qualities can't exist by themselves.

One could say the self is a thing or an entity that undergoes various state changes,
or these various state changes are in fact the self.

[John32241]

Originally Posted by shepherd

True self?

It seems some members are chasing a goal to be their true selves through various practises. You can see this on various threads where some members even gloat over others with surperiority as their meditational or spiritual ways have led them to now being their true self.

Which is what exactly?

Is this another ploy to get people to not accept who they are right now, this very moment as being true regardless of judgement from themselves and others through conditioning of what is supposed to be spiritual.

Joy, happiness, zen like behaviour? Is this really the true self or is just who you are right now which is ever evolving...the true self you had all along?

There is a danger too which comes with trying to be this spiritual zen like person and that is it has to be maintained and as we know, life isnt like that as it comes with dips, bumps and highs and lows and suppressing how you feel in favour of being spiritual has consequences which just creates anxiety and stress.

Is chasing the idea of a "true self" fruitless? Maybe not as the intention to be better in someway helps us evolve but there has to be a level of acceptance with who you are right now doesnt there?

Would love your thoughts on this elusive true self

It is my understanding that the true self is All That You Are. The good, the bad, and the ugly. To embrace all that you are is to experience self love.

Other than the conscious self, there is the higher self and the subconscious self. These three aspects of us are equal to each other with very distinct sets of responsibilities.

Each human person is a unique expression of All That Is. As a result, each person is equally knowing and empowered at the higher self level of awareness. The conscious and the subconscious reflect the particular service we offer to the collective community. By design, the conscious awareness is never very well informed about anything. Those that can appreciate this are both humble and confident at the same time. That is because they have experience the trinity effect sometimes called co-creation. This experience is self love both given and received.

I hope this over simplified description states my perceptions accurately.

John