Truth and Reality

Originally Posted by The Eagle

That is a belief held by you.

Its not of my mind in that knowing so how is it? Is knowing in your mind a belief?

Originally Posted by silent whisper

I wonder if you mind is at play in all these discussions..perhaps thats why......we differ.

Lol what do you mean by this?

If you can knock the logic of the argument do so otherwise comments like this are off topic and serve no purpose.

If you see me with your eyes..do you need a belief to know that I exist....what determines that space of reality for you?

Originally Posted by The Eagle

Lol what do you mean by this?

If you can knock the logic of the argument do so otherwise comments like this are off topic and serve no purpose.

I can go off topic at any time I choose...if you choose not too thats your call...most times off topic as I have learned is where the real truth can be found....but then you will hit me with that as a belief...but I will say no..not a belief an experience..so

Originally Posted by silent whisper

Its not of my mind in that knowing so how is it? Is knowing in your mind a belief?

As per the rest of the thread - I believe we cant know anything. What we call know is a belief held so strongly that we call it "know"- but it is actually a belief.

Originally Posted by silent whisper

If you see me with your eyes..do you need a belief to know that I exist....what determines that space of reality for you?

I dont know you exist. I believe you do. If I saw you it would be a belief of what I see is reality or truth and that would lead of to a belief you exist.......

Basically anything you say of how you think you "know" reality or truth, when broken down is a belief.

If you believe otherwise then that is still a belief.

Originally Posted by The Eagle

As per the rest of the thread - I believe we cant know anything. What we call know is a belief held so strongly that we call it "know"- but it is actually a belief.

What we know is in my eyes determined from expereinces...experineced in that space of expereince no belief was formed just the experience itself...In understanding through experience I know...I dont condition my mind with that knowing...I allow my mind to be a part of the knowing and use it as the gift that it was in its pure form of being...as one with all that I know...and experience..

It is only you eagle that is placing it in the box and category of belief...

Originally Posted by silent whisper

What we know is in my eyes determined from expereinces...experineced in that space of expereince no belief was formed just the experience itself...In understanding through experience I know...I dont condition my mind with that knowing...I allow my mind to be a part of the knowing and use it as the gift that it was in its pure form of being...as one with all that I know...and experience..

And thats how you believe you know......

Again experience is always a belief of what you experience represents truth or reality.

A belief none the less.

Ask yourself why is it important to "know"?

Originally Posted by silent whisper

It is only you eagle that is placing it in the box and category of belief...

So? The logic is there there to see why I do.

Everyone else in the entire world can believe it is not belief and I could be the only one. Doesnt make it any less of a logical valid point.

Any opposing opinion raised has not broken the logic involved with the statement.