I was asked if I believed I was God in hospital. Opinions?

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

Psychiatrists are only taught to put you into a straitjacket if you answered 'yes' to their question. They're the last kind of people you should talk to about anything spriritual.

And Spiritual people are the last people you should talk to about mental health for much the same reasons.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

This was exactly my first thought.
You could not even say an angel visited you ...they think you're psychotic. Good luck.


Oh, I got fired from a job because they thought I was taking drugs....
Why...because I was too happy.

I've had some experience of the system, Miss H, so it's not difficult to see where this could lead. It's not so much fun when you've seen it from the inside.


I'm off to see a shrink week after next as it happens. Seriously. That should be an interesting experience, the last few have been.

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

And Spiritual people are the last people you should talk to about mental health for much the same reasons.

Being spiritual doesn't mean you have to reject the existence of mental illnesses and shrug everything off as demonic possession and/or bad karma. Psychiatrists on the other hand are trained to be objective, regardless if they are spiritual or not (which I assume most aren't).

[sky]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

I've had some experience of the system, Miss H, so it's not difficult to see where this could lead. It's not so much fun when you've seen it from the inside.


I'm off to see a shrink week after next as it happens. Seriously. That should be an interesting experience, the last few have been.

The shrink will need a shrink after your Appointment I'd love to be a fly on the wall...

Your probably more ' Well Versed ' than any of them.....

[Starman]

Every country has their own psychiatric rubric. Most European, North and South American, Australian, and some other
nations will follow a Freudian or Neo-Freudian perspective, but there are indigenous cultures that shy away from that model.

The problem I have with psychiatry in the U.S. is that most of their treatments deal with administering psychotropic drugs.
In America we currently have and Opioid epidemic, prescribed for both medical and mental health patients, and prior to that
a Ritalin epidemic, which were mostly prescribed to children with an ADHD diagnosis.

Recent studies have shown that antidepressants, antipsychotics, and antiepileptic medications have a high potential of
increasing dementia. Today there is also a mental health crisis in the U.S., and as noted in other countries as well. The
biomedical model has a monopoly on mental health care when there are other less invasive, non-drug, models available.

I agree that there is no separation between mental health issues and spiritual issues but I don’t think most mental health
workers are prepared to address spiritual issues. Some may address religious issues that they embrace, but spiritual
experiences like Kundalini energy is not covered in American psychiatry or psychology training programs.

A mahatma, Sadhu, guru, or yogi, might be better suited to address those issues. Understanding that the original healing
of mind and body was spiritual, then healing was taken over by the church with exorcisms, bleedings, etc. From there
medicine and science took it over starting with Hippocrates. Today there are so many different schools of psychological
thought, but it seems the psychoanalytic neo-Freudian school of thought dominates.

The problem with this school of thought, in my opinion, is that it is very heavy on diagnosis and very weak on treatment.
They still, although infrequently, perform psychosurgery on patients, and frequently administer electric shock treatments,
but mostly it is pharmaceutical oriented. Now I do acknowledge that lots of people are helped by mainstream psychiatric
care, but one size, or one philosophy, does not fit all. The amount of suicides and shootings we have in the U.S. is
evidence of that.

[Heatherkey]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

In Australia, it is actually pretty good otherwise.

You can say whatever you damn well LIKE to a psychiatrist or mental health team...discuss spirituality and Kundalini til the cows come home...dance naked on their desk..and it is always:

"Do you have persistent thoughts of harming yourself or another person?"

If the answer is "no", then no matter what ELSE you may say, they will just tell you to get lost.

It is amazing how a lack of government funding for the public health system affects the diagnostic criteria for mental illness doesn't it?

Are you in a private fund?
Nope!
Then I cannot find anything wrong with you.

Are you in a private fund?
Yes!
Then you have Bi-polar, schizophrenia, PTSD and Autism...I am arranging your admission right now...

Strange that.

Phew, I thought for a moment I was on another planet... it turns out its just another country. But perhaps, on an international forum, its good to talk and listen to more different views and understand that different cultures respond differently to both spirituality and mental health.

Im Brithish by the way... and I make comparisons with some amount of ignorance, having not lived in other countries. But here, it seems that there is more acceptance of different beliefs, not just the major religions, but of our pagan roots in its many different forms. And on the other hand, we have a health care system stretched to its limits that is only just beginning to promote talking about mental health. And right here, right now, Britain is beginning to talk about mental

A thread like this, to someone in Britain that is just considering opening up and seeking support for a mental health issue,could prevent themfrom doing so and lead to them never getting help.

I am sorry if some health systems use people for their money, and I understand that that can cause fear and prejudice. But that mental health system is not the world over.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Heatherkey

Phew, I thought for a moment I was on another planet... it turns out its just another country. But perhaps, on an international forum, its good to talk and listen to more different views and understand that different cultures respond differently to both spirituality and mental health.

Im Brithish by the way... and I make comparisons with some amount of ignorance, having not lived in other countries. But here, it seems that there is more acceptance of different beliefs, not just the major religions, but of our pagan roots in its many different forms. And on the other hand, we have a health care system stretched to its limits that is only just beginning to promote talking about mental health. And right here, right now, Britain is beginning to talk about mental

A thread like this, to someone in Britain that is just considering opening up and seeking support for a mental health issue,could prevent themfrom doing so and lead to them never getting help.

I am sorry if some health systems use people for their money, and I understand that that can cause fear and prejudice. But that mental health system is not the world over.

What actually led to my diagnosis of Autism, was my inability to understand or to learn how what I say or do, has the potential to affect other people. For all my theories, the one I lack the most is called the 'theory of mind'.

The reason why I lack this, is because it seems no two people will respond the same to any given stimuli, so how would I know the emotional state of another when saying what I do? Some may break down in tears...others may laugh...others may shrug it off with a "whatever," so why should a label like "lack of empathy" apply to me? But I am digressing.

The problem over here, is that we don't have enough medical resources for the growing population...I guess that is the same in a lot of countries world over with a very high immigration rate, but they don't adjust their facilities and utilities to be able to keep up with the demands of it.

Last month, my local hospital was shut down for the whole day, due to industrial action over the sacking of a security guard...even though we have a conservative government in Australia, this country is still run by the Trade Unions (and it has been that way since the 1970s).

I also think some people are scare mongering, because legally (in a LOT of countries) a person cannot be institutionalised or incarcerated without being first sectioned by the courts...they don't come around with their little white coats and straight jackets anymore, because even the mentally ill have this thing called "human rights" and Starman is totally correct when he says that everyone on this PLANET has a mental illness according to the DSM 5...there aren't enough hospitals on earth and nor could they ever build enough to lock up all of these "crazy folk".

And with more people waking up and discovering unity of consciousness, a better question needs to be asked than "are you God?"

I mean, you could always lie...if you would rather not be true to yourself. The demands of society and social norms does not force me to say or do anything I wouldn't normally do...a priest could ask me...a doctor could ask me...and BOTH would get the same answer...but this is because I am Autistic and I can understand that not everyone is Autistic at least. I just totally lack the ability to keep changing my personal story according to whom I am speaking with for egoic preservation like all neurotypical people can do.

Double post..........

Greenslade's advice is the best to follow.

Shrinks have powers even the police and Courts don't - to lock you up indefinitely - with no route of appeal usually.

Be very careful. Shrinks are unable to deal with Spiritual matters, as he says. They can be gung-ho at times.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Greenslade's advice is the best to follow.
Shrinks have powers even the police and Courts don't - to lock you up indefinitely - with no route of appeal usually.
Be very careful. Shrinks are unable to deal with Spiritual matters, as he says.

Yes! This.