Saami People of Norway, Finland and Sweden and Joiking

[sentient]

Originally Posted by eezi-ulgen

sentient
That's some real good stuff on the dog and the swan...

In the “Path of Souls: The Native American Death Journey”, the Mississippian Mound Builders had the Spider as well:
1. From a mound, Missouri.
2. From a stone-grave, Illinois.
3. From a mound, Illinois.
4. From a mound, Tennessee.
(The top one looks a bit like the “Central Sun”).
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/4256.../images/61.jpg

Quite similar to the Udmurt/Komi belief, where the Golden Spider Thread can - like balancing on a tightrope - lead you past the Dark Rift, the Dark River into the Light, into the “Central Sun” (of ‘Enlightment’), but get spooked & all tangled up, hesitate, lose your balance or walk back and the Spider net will get you. Game over, reincarnate and try again …

So, the Spider is both the adversary and/or the ‘liberator’, depending ….

The name for the ‘ancestor place/shelf’ for my ½ Forest Saami ½ ‘Karelian’ (but from Komi/Veps ancestry as well) … gran was an Udmurt word. So, the ‘song’ within her, which identified her by her ancestral beliefs was the ‘Permian’ “Spider Mother”.

P.S.
Found a shortened version of the “Path of Souls: The Native American Death Journey”
Spider from 14:30 to 15:00
…. But here the Spider is placed at the Orion (hand), the first part of the sky journey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c5p...annel=atagreg1

[eezi-ulgen]

sentient

Okay,so here is an example of someone sharing their wisdom on how to do shamanic journey..

Shamanic journeying, I’ve learned, is simple. My steps are;
1. Establish the protected time and place
2. Set my intention
3. Open the space : I use something as simple as lighting a candle.
4. Set the boundaries of the space, inviting in the helpful energies ( whoever you work with; guides, deities, ancestors, spirits etc) and equally important also banish anything with negative intent.
5. Use my imagination to travel ( I usually find myself walking through a wood, getting to a shore and getting in a boat. I hold my intention/question in my mind but aim to maintain a neutral observing approach, I don’t “force” anything. Within the journey I usually have an offering in my pocket so I give that out when the time feels right.
6. Notice and interact with whoever turns up. Thank them.
7. Return to the place I started. Give thanks again and close the space
8. Write down all I can recall even if it doesn’t make sense entirely.

I don't like being negative but I sure hope this is not what my ancestors were doing...
This seems to be imagination work, which does have value but it is hard to understand
what people are talking about sometimes...Or should I say at what level they are talking from...
I understood shamans to work with actual Spirits and not just imagination...
I thought Spirit would actually posses the shaman to do the shaman work through various degrees of trance...
Alright I'll let this one go since I realize I am seeing things on the interwebs and probably not anything close to real traditional shamanism
and if I am to understand shamanism to any real degree I will have to meet one in person and go from there...

Oh, plus I do realize everyone is keen on using the word shaman for all kinds of things nowadays...
Another thing which I don't want to be missed is that, of course things can come through, but my imagination
can and will cook up all kinds of things that may not really be beneficial and may even be ego driven or subconscious garble...

...Peace...