" I think therefore I am not "

I think the original Descartes quote is wrong
Anyone like to agree/disagree ?

Thanks Ivy for reminding me of the original quote in one of your posts

[Gem]

Originally Posted by celest

I think the original Descartes quote is wrong
Anyone like to agree/disagree ?

Thanks Ivy for reminding me of the original quote in one of your posts

It's a quip that Descartes made which people latched onto, but it's taken out of context, and only represents a small part of his self philosophy, but he made a more complete statement, which reads,

"I had the persuasion that there was absolutely nothing in the world, that tere was no sky and no earth; neither minds nor bodies. Was I not, therefore, at the same time, persuaded that I did not exist? Far from it. I assuredly existed since I was persuaded. But there is, I know not what being, who is possessed at once of the highest power and the deepest cunning, who is constantly employing all his ingenuity in deceiving me. Doubtless then, I exist since I am deceived - and let him deceive me as he may, he can never bring it about that I am nothing so long as I am conscious that I am something, so that it must in fine be maintained, all things being maturely and carefully considered, that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true each time it is expressed by me or conceived in my mind."

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Gem

It's a quip that Descartes made which people latched onto, but it's taken out of context, and only represents a small part of his self philosophy, but he made a more complete statement, which reads,

"I had the persuasion that there was absolutely nothing in the world, that tere was no sky and no earth; neither minds nor bodies. Was I not, therefore, at the same time, persuaded that I did not exist? Far from it. I assuredly existed since I was persuaded. But there is, I know not what being, who is possessed at once of the highest power and the deepest cunning, who is constantly employing all his ingenuity in deceiving me. Doubtless then, I exist since I am deceived - and let him deceive me as he may, he can never bring it about that I am nothing so long as I am conscious that I am something, so that it must in fine be maintained, all things being maturely and carefully considered, that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true each time it is expressed by me or conceived in my mind."

I never read that before Gem. It was awesome!

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by celest

I think the original Descartes quote is wrong
Anyone like to agree/disagree ?

Thanks Ivy for reminding me of the original quote in one of your posts

I am, therefore I think

[loopylucid]

The first thing that always springs to mind when I hear that quote...

There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist
Socrates, himself, was permanently (edited)

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill

Plato, they say, could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram

And René Descartes was a drunken fart
I drink, therefore I am...

Shows where my heads at huh! lol

Loopy

edited out....................

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by celest

I think the original Descartes quote is wrong
Anyone like to agree/disagree ?

Thanks Ivy for reminding me of the original quote in one of your posts

Why is it wrong in your view?
Its just another's view, you can create from it whatever you like..

[lemex]

Originally Posted by celest

I think the original Descartes quote is wrong
Anyone like to agree/disagree ?

Thanks Ivy for reminding me of the original quote in one of your posts

Since there are many non thinking things that exist, I'd have to say, thinking isn't a requirement they thought it to be. So it is half correct, is it not. More a view of self importance maybe.

Originally Posted by celest

I think the original Descartes quote is wrong
Anyone like to agree/disagree ?

I agree.
Thinking is not required for being.
The sense of "being" is accessable when there are no thoughts at all.

Originally Posted by luntrusreality

I agree.
Thinking is not required for being.
The sense of "being" is accessable when there are no thoughts at all.

Yes luntrus, I am not me when I'm thinking as my thoughts are not me. Being is more than thinking.