I AM a small God and God is a big God.

[knightofalbion]

We are the acorn that fell from the Oak.

[Frederick33]

o.k. some pretty clever person must have written that :-) :-) :-)

[sky]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

We are the acorn that fell from the Oak.

Reminds me of....
The acorn and the oak tree are separate......or are they

[CosmicWisdom323]

Originally Posted by Honza

Although I do accept that the "I" can be defined as God; particularly the inner "I" - it strikes me that the "God" will always have the upper hand. The God will always be bigger.

Enlightenment is the state where ones inner "I" unites with God. But that in itself does not make ones own self absolute. In that situation one is married to the absolute - but the absolute extends far beyond ones experience of union.

God is not quantifiable. He cannot be defined or measured. INFINITE.

Enlightenment brings one into contact with just a part of the infinite - which is naturally connected to the whole of the infinite. But God goes beyond all that.

In summary; the "I" cannot BE God. It can only remain a part. No matter how blissful or enlightened it is.....

Hi Honza,

I understand what you are saying completely. I like to think more in terms of Hindu terminology:

What you are calling Big G God, I call Brahman - The Infinite, The All, The Universal, The One, The Unmanifested that gives rise to all manifested things. The noumena that gives rise to all to phenomena to use Kant terminology. Brahman is Absolute, Infinite, Eternal, Universal, and Objective.

The I Am that we experience is the Atman: The particular consciousness or awareness or spirit form. The Atman is a particular expression of the Universal Brahman. Tat Tvam Asi: That Thou Art.

Have you read Jed McKenna?

[Serenity69]

God Is The Ocean
Each Person Is A Drop In This Ocean

[charly233]

Originally Posted by Serenity69

God Is The Ocean
Each Person Is A Drop In This Ocean

And the ocean is contained within the drop.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by charly233

And the ocean is contained within the drop.

Ah yes. Wisdom.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Honza

Although I do accept that the "I" can be defined as God; particularly the inner "I" - it strikes me that the "God" will always have the upper hand. The God will always be bigger.

I think you have read some vedantic concepts and have become confused over it.

The 'inner "I" ' mentioned is pure consciousness which is distinct from the outer "I" which is but the ego with its artificial identities.


This 'inner "I" 'can be understood only through meditation and not through intellectual understanding which tends to result in utter confusion, as the intellect or thought cannot grasp that which is subtler than itself.

I have explained this in this post of mine.

Originally Posted by Honza

Enlightenment is the state where ones inner "I" unites with God. But that in itself does not make ones own self absolute. In that situation one is married to the absolute - but the absolute extends far beyond ones experience of union.

When all the unconscious tendencies or vasanas/sankharas which results in bondage are eliminated by meditation, pure consciousness is attained which results in enlightenment or oneness with the infinite consciousness which pervades everything.

But as said before, this is something that should be understood experientially, and not intellectually. Mere intellection is bound to result in confusion, as the intellect cannot grasp that which is subtler than itself.

Originally Posted by Honza

God is not quantifiable. He cannot be defined or measured. INFINITE.

Enlightenment brings one into contact with just a part of the infinite - which is naturally connected to the whole of the infinite. But God goes beyond all that.

In summary; the "I" cannot BE God. It can only remain a part. No matter how blissful or enlightened it is.....

The nature of God is Sat-Chit-Ananda ( Truth-Being-Bliss), and so is yours.

Attain your true nature by meditation or service or selfless love, and that is the best way to please the blissful Lord, and get rid of intellectual confusions by experiential understanding.

As the Japanese proverb goes, ' One look is worth a thousand reports.'

[WabiSabi]

You are correct that God, or as I like to call it the Root, is infinite. But what you have missed is that any single, definable point within infinity is itself inherently infinite. Therefor, any single, definable point within infinity is thereby indicative of infinity as a whole. As such, the true self is not merely a fragment of God, but is God in its entirety. And I am not talking about the self as the ego, but as the infinite awareness that is the center of your existence. If you touch it, you will realize its infinite nature.

You are as you are at this moment because the entire universe is as it is at this moment. Were the universe not to be as it is, you would not be you. If you change, the universe changes to match. If the universe changes, you change to match. But in reality, there is no vector to be applied to it, no direction. You change because the universe changes because you change. You are the universe, and the universe is you. You change as the universe changes because you are the universe. Both you and the universe change simultaneously.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by WabiSabi

You are correct that God, or as I like to call it the Root, is infinite. But what you have missed is that any single, definable point within infinity is itself inherently infinite. Therefor, any single, definable point within infinity is thereby indicative of infinity as a whole. As such, the true self is not merely a fragment of God, but is God in its entirety. And I am not talking about the self as the ego, but as the infinite awareness that is the center of your existence. If you touch it, you will realize its infinite nature.

Finally, somebody put it down on paper coherently.

WabiSabi, I couldn't agree more. This bit of wisdom re; fragments inherently being the whole is more than a lot of folks seem to be able to wrap their heads around, but it's precisely right.

Beautifully put :)