Ramakrishna said...I want to taste sugar, not be sugar.. - Page 4

Miss Hepburn · #31 15-12-2011, 02:53 AM

Ah, now who was it that said God is the taste of sugar- not the sugar....
....I forget...
Much like the apple tree that hides inside the seed...

#32 15-12-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

''I want to taste sugar not be sugar.''

I really relate to this.

I want to feel God, not "be" God.

Any comments?

What if the sugar you want to taste tells you that 'it' wants to taste you?

WH55

#33 15-12-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Ah, now who was it that said God is the taste of sugar- not the sugar....
....I forget...
Much like the apple tree that hides inside the seed...

O I think I get it. Like the difference between a flower and flowerness?

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Originally Posted by "Thich Nhat Hanh"

The flower may die, but not the flowerness. Even if a flower has become garbage, you know you can bring the flower back. If you are a good gardener, if you know how to use compost, seeds, water, you will be able to bring the flower back. This means a flower may die, but flowerness is something that is there all the time: because flowerness is not a thing, flowerness is the nature of a thing. So it is with Buddha and Buddha nature. Buddha nature is called in Sanskrit buddhata. We all have buddhata inside of us, this Buddha nature. If we want, we can make the Buddha be born every moment in our hearts. That is a very wonderful thing. You can make the Buddha be born in your heart every moment, because you have Buddhahood in you, you have the nature of the Buddha in you. Buddha is a living thing: Buddha is born, Buddha grows up, Buddha hides himself away, Buddha dies. But Buddhahood is there in us.

This to me is a very deep teaching.

Miss Hepburn · #34 15-12-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteHorse55

What if the sugar you want to taste tells you that 'it' wants to taste you?

WH55

To me that is called love making.
Or communing with God.

Sometimes I call it Lovebathing ----like laying in the sun Sunbathing ---basking...
drinking in the bliss...being the pestal to God's Bee.

God-Like · #35 17-12-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

''I want to taste sugar not be sugar.''

Hi Miss H .

I would say that this Is similar to tasting the fruits of our own labours .

Within mind we are able to self realize and taste the godliness that Is 'I' .

If one has trancended the 'I' then one cannot taste the sugar for there Is no-one and no - thing 'to taste' beyond mind .

I think the term 'to savour the moment' comes to mind whilst you still can hehehe .

x daz x

#36 19-12-2011, 07:05 PM

Ramana Maharshi says that the analogy of tasting sugar vs. being sugar doesn't work because sugar is insentient, unlike consciousness:

Q: If the individual becomes the form of the absolute, then who will enjoy the bliss of the absolute? To enjoy the bliss of the absolute, we must be slightly separate from it, like the fly that tastes sugar from a little distance.

M: The bliss of the absolute is the bliss of one's own nature. It is not born, nor has it been created. Pleasure that is created is sure to be destroyed. Sugar, being insentient, cannot give its own taste. The fly has to keep a little distance to taste it. But the absolute is awareness and consciousness. It can give its own bliss, but its nature cannot be understood without attaining that state.

http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0098.htm

Xan · #37 19-12-2011, 07:43 PM

The fly has to keep a little distance to taste it.

Yes, but this little distance is not an either/or sort of thing. I learned from Dzogchen Buddhism that we can be aware both as the absolute - the oneness, and as an individual conscious in the silent presence... simultaneously. This is also my own experience.

Xan

#38 19-12-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan

The fly has to keep a little distance to taste it.

Yes, but this little distance is not an either/or sort of thing. I learned from Dzogchen Buddhism that we can be aware both as the absolute - the oneness, and as an individual conscious in the silent presence... simultaneously. This is also my own experience.

Xan

Yes, in Buddhism they talk of conventional and ultimate truths. We can realize both simultaneously. The ultimate truth is emptiness, where everything is one. Then there is the conventional truth of form, where everything is distinct. So we realize the ultimate nature of everything and also taste its unique character.

There is the wisdom of equality which recognises oneness, and the distinguishing wisdom which recognises the difference between things. Both are aspects of the enlightened mind.

Xan · #39 19-12-2011, 09:27 PM

That is so, oliness, but it's not what I meant.

Rather... oneness aware in itself is like sugar being just sugar with no taster.

Our individual awareness of the oneness is the tasting.

Some say we are only one or the other... I say we can be, or truly are, both at once.

Xan

#40 19-12-2011, 09:44 PM

You could say that pure awareness is "conscious sugar" - being-consciousness-bliss. It is different from ordinary sugar in that it is sentient and knows itself, therefore it has its own sweetness.

The individual consciousness is not destroyed, it becomes a vehicle of the transmission of the being-consciousness-bliss of the absolute. Great sages like Ramana Maharshi and Ramakrishna transmitted that consciousness, they radiated its peace and awareness.