Awakenings within different cultural dreamings.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by sentient

Well. I don’t know the answers to my question, which is why I asked it, to explore it.
Because sometimes it can be a bit ambiguous, who is dreaming whom.
Is it the absolute/totality dreaming up the relative or the relative dreaming up the absolute?

It doesn't seem to follow in any reason or logic, but each cultural paradigm rests on its particular 'dreaming', or mythology, in other words.

I think there can be 3 different approaches to “path”.
One is to study/follow a specific spiritual philosophy, dogma or belief and do the practices/ rituals etc. i.e. take the mapped, charted route. The safe option.

The other (more intuitive) approach is to just to remain “unoccupied” (not-doing, not-knowing) and enter the unknown, uncharted territory, the wilderness with nothing but the “antenna” on the top of your head (so to speak), letting the path spontaneously manifest/unfold itself - if it will.
Here the resonating reflections (like echoes of eternity) can be anything (take any form) at any-time and act as guidance and they do have a trance-like, dreaming, non-dual quality about them.

I think as we stop to observe we can see how the experience unfolds, but seemingly without any inherent reason as to why or how, and we become somewhat reduced to 'it just is', but as we see, each culture is a historical narrative which begins with mythical creation stories. I have found that these vastly differing epistemologies all 'make sense' in that they provide a foundation or fundamental framework for giving meaning, and making a 'way of understanding', which seems appropriate in any given cultural context.

The third approach is perhaps a mixture of both, the intuitive and the grounding knowledge.

Haven’t got a clue what Kierkegaard meant with his “highwayman” (not familiar with Kierkegaard), so I make up my own story.
On that intuitive path there is Spirit waiting in ambush on every mountain pass or ravine and like a “highwayman” demands that you drop your luggage, your valuables, your clothes, well everything in order to proceed onward the next leg of your desolate situation on the path created (by whom?).

I've not read Kierkegaard. But true enough to say that the concept of 'mine' is also understood in various ways in different cultures, according to the respective worldview regarding 'what is a person'.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by Gem

each cultural paradigm rests on its particular 'dreaming', or mythology, in other words.

Yes. I would also equate mythology with “dreaming”, and coming from Australia you Gem could not help but get an insight into that word “dreaming”.

In general:
It has been said that mythology is the landscape of the soul and also a way of expressing the journeys of the soul.
“Mind over matter” imo. is not mythological thinking, mythological thinking is a non-thought rather and can better be described as “seeing”.
Seeing Spirit and Matter entwined in eternal embrace like two lovers, one being a reflection of the other. (Or call it a perception of interdependence).

So, in mythological (indigenous) culture (in my experience) you are kind of being trained to be in two places simultaneously in your awareness & not in the sense of in here and out there, but here and here.
For example if you are a hunter-gatherer, you are the forest (oneness/totality of the situation) as well as a unique part of that totality (forest).
Therefore for a mythological seer it is not that big a stretch to “see”:
- timelessness unfolding as time
- the immovable forever in motion
- the unborn in continuous birth, living and death cycle
- the oneness as multiplicity
But that shift into seeing in depth definitely takes one from left hemispheric high beta brainwaves into theta (associated with dreaming states) and perhaps even delta. (Delta as in “time stops”?)

Therefore one can’t regard the body as a mere illusion, it might be/feel empty like nobody’s home anymore, or like an empty but haunted house, but in its emptiness it is still the instrument Oneness, Pure Awareness/Energy can express itself.

So, a both - and view is a bit like standing on a doorway between non-duality and duality. That “doorway” or “alignment” puts one on the spot and like a tightrope walker, continually needing to fine tune and find balance.

[dream jo]

dnt
no all dreams iv had iv had so mush dreams