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Old 30-09-2019, 01:57 AM
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Magical Thinking.

The concept may seem like something people actively choose to engage in, but it has its roots in childhood, particularly the toddler years. Children in this stage are becoming more aware of what's around them and looking to make connections that answer their favorite question: Why? They are also in an egocentric stage of development, so it's easy for them to believe that something they do—say, wearing a blue shirt—can have an effect on something totally unrelated, such as having good weather.

As they age, higher-level cognition comes into play and kids begin to realize that an example such as this is not actually possible. Still, older children and even adults may continue some aspects of magical thinking for various reasons they may not even be aware of.

Magical thinking comes from the ego center. It is a disorder of thought content; it denotes the false belief that one's thoughts, actions, or words will cause or prevent a specific consequence in some way that defies commonly understood laws of causality.

Sigmund Freud believed that magical thinking was produced by cognitive developmental factors. He described practitioners of magic as projecting their mental states onto the world around them, similar to a common phase in child development. From toddlerhood to early school age, children will often link the outside world with their internal consciousness, e.g. "It is raining because I am sad."

Magical thinking is a type of cognitive distortion, or inaccurate thought pattern, in which individuals believe that their thoughts or actions will directly influence and produce a specific outcome, either positive or negative. Magical thinking can be a source of comfort. It can also provide a false sense of control when individuals feel distressed and out of control.

There are several cognitive distortions that people become trapped by that are usually used to reinforce negative thoughts and emotions. These thought patterns keep us stuck and lead us to have lower self-esteem and be overall more dissatisfied with our lives. Cognitive distortions are at the core of cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) and magical thinking is one of the common types of distortions.


https://www.verywellmind.com/magical-thinking-2671612
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking
https://thepsychologygroup.com/magical-thinking/
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:34 AM
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The concept may seem like something people actively choose to engage in, but it has its roots in childhood, particularly the toddler years. Children in this stage are becoming more aware of what's around them and looking to make connections that answer their favorite question: Why? They are also in an egocentric stage of development, so it's easy for them to believe that something they do—say, wearing a blue shirt—can have an effect on something totally unrelated, such as having good weather.

As they age, higher-level cognition comes into play and kids begin to realize that an example such as this is not actually possible. Still, older children and even adults may continue some aspects of magical thinking for various reasons they may not even be aware of.

Magical thinking comes from the ego center. It is a disorder of thought content; it denotes the false belief that one's thoughts, actions, or words will cause or prevent a specific consequence in some way that defies commonly understood laws of causality.

Sigmund Freud believed that magical thinking was produced by cognitive developmental factors. He described practitioners of magic as projecting their mental states onto the world around them, similar to a common phase in child development. From toddlerhood to early school age, children will often link the outside world with their internal consciousness, e.g. "It is raining because I am sad."

Magical thinking is a type of cognitive distortion, or inaccurate thought pattern, in which individuals believe that their thoughts or actions will directly influence and produce a specific outcome, either positive or negative. Magical thinking can be a source of comfort. It can also provide a false sense of control when individuals feel distressed and out of control.

There are several cognitive distortions that people become trapped by that are usually used to reinforce negative thoughts and emotions. These thought patterns keep us stuck and lead us to have lower self-esteem and be overall more dissatisfied with our lives. Cognitive distortions are at the core of cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) and magical thinking is one of the common types of distortions.


https://www.verywellmind.com/magical-thinking-2671612
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking
https://thepsychologygroup.com/magical-thinking/
If i understand correctly you say that magic is just a projection of someone's thoughts?This type of magical thinking you've descirbed is indeed childish,but real magic goes far more deeper from egoic thought patterns.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:53 PM
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So I guess your saying people ought to be taking their children to the Doctor.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:01 PM
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One can find such magical thinking a lot in religious beliefs and reasoning, and indeed it has a lot to do with projection and egocentrism.

Human imagination can project 'humanness' upon the universe. Beliefs in creator(s) reflect our ability to create stuff, our conscious quest for meaning and purpose are projected upon the universe at large, and our high intelligence necessitates an even higher intelligence, according to many religions. Obviously that intelligence can speak and write in a certain language, which instantly makes that language divine as well (!)

The egocentrism: A human may think the universe or 'god' was out there to save him from a natural disaster, but then nothing is said on that baby elephant that lost her life, or all the other people that lost their lives during that disaster. Simply, that one surviving human will proclaims to be special. The gods watch over him or he has good karma, in contrast to that baby elephant and the other people who simply have bad karma or are of no worth. (Maybe in a future life, IF they behave and act like pious figures... )
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:50 AM
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This ties well into this thread. A good example of how people are fooled by what is basically simple human psychology.

''I was an astrologer – here's how it really works, and why I had to stop

Customers marvelled at my psychic abilities but was that really what was going on when I told their fortune?''


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I can still make the odd forecast, though. Here’s one: the venture capital pouring into astrology apps will create a fortune telling system that works, because humans are predictable. As people follow the advice, the apps’ predictive powers will increase, creating an ever-tighter electronic leash. But they’ll be hugely popular – because if you sprinkle magic on top, you can sell people anything.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...works-psychics
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:13 AM
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Well, my cognitive distortions have been
working wonders in my life
for decades now.

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Old 07-11-2019, 02:41 PM
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I think it's hard to accept that some people have some extra abilities that we don't.
If you can't leave your body and travel with your astral form,doesn't mean that astral projection is not real.
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:54 PM
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I think it's hard to accept that some people have some extra abilities that we don't.
If you can't leave your body and travel with your astral form,doesn't mean that astral projection is not real.

Of course.

But hey, one seemingly spiritual phenomena being real does not guarantee another seemingly spiritual phenomena is actually real. If you actually had a conscious AP it does not mean something a random ''psychic'' says is actually the truth and not a cold reading. Similarly, people experiencing bliss and a spiritual reality does not mean the universe has been created for humans. And so forth.

Discernment is almost anathema in much of spirituality, which actually doesn't help it get any further and isn't beneficial that way to humanity.

A lot of *spiritual* stuff really isn't supernatural, but just normal, natural phenomena that can be explained through psychology or biology. Doesn't mean all of it does though, and it also doesn't devalue spirituality.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:15 PM
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Of course.

But hey, one seemingly spiritual phenomena being real does not guarantee another seemingly spiritual phenomena is actually real. If you actually had a conscious AP it does not mean something a random ''psychic'' says is actually the truth and not a cold reading. Similarly, people experiencing bliss and a spiritual reality does not mean the universe has been created for humans. And so forth.

Discernment is almost anathema in much of spirituality, which actually doesn't help it get any further and isn't beneficial that way to humanity.

A lot of *spiritual* stuff really isn't supernatural, but just normal, natural phenomena that can be explained through psychology or biology. Doesn't mean all of it does though, and it also doesn't devalue spirituality.
I agree but explain this to me if you can.

Some years before i managed to contact a spirit who has the ability to make you win 2-3 numbers at lotary.Or at least that's what i saw from the magical grimoire.
When i finished my contact,the same night i had a lucid dream.I was taken to another place and met with some 'dudes'.
The next day i woke up feeling strange and somehow depressed.
To cut the story short,for almost two days i was indeed winning 2-3 numbers EVERYTIME.

I think it's not normal and it can't be explained with psychology.And i swear that i'm telling the truth.It was indeed happened,and i did get a first taste about magical beings and how real they are.

By the way,i played at least 5-6 times.I didn't know that it would last for two days only.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:36 PM
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I think it's not normal and it can't be explained with psychology.And i swear that i'm telling the truth.It was indeed happened,and i did get a first taste about magical beings and how real they are.

Lomax, I don't doubt that you or anyone else have had interesting or unexplainable experiences. I've had plenty too, and some have given me real hints that some [for instance lucid dreams] are in another 'world'. However, many other dreams really are pointless, like you see a monster movie and then you dream about it. I like to view it as a spectrum, and we need proper discernment and should try to look for a natural explanation, because in many cases it is sufficient.

I think it is for the best to keep spirituality as simple as possible, not make more assumptions than necessary. Our brains do make wild connections and upon investigation they can be proven wrong.
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