The devil, lucifer, satan.....

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Juanita

The world is the way it is because of free will--man's lust for money, control and power and one can not blame any imagined spiritual entity for this......

So true, much of religion has used these silly excuses as a scapgoat, this poor old goat needs to be let go of, and maybe eaten, yum yummy.

[Miss Hepburn]

Ah, Lucifer...the Morning Star, an angel...where is Bluegreen, I think she could tell
us more...maybe quote Joan Grant.

Where are some Wiccans...they would give a different take.
Where is a Freemason.

Many worship him for simply saying....Don't you want to know both sides? Do you
want to be these innocent babes or would you like to taste of the tree of good and evil
or was it the tree of knowledge, can't remember.

Was he evil or just rebellious to his Father...misguided brat...Lucifer, what a bad boy angel.

Luciferians are not satanists by any means...I never cap satan as many authors don't.
There is a lot to research on Lucifer and his friends that thank him for enlightening them.

Now satan or the devil I think of as a personification of the lower ego self.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Now satan or the devil I think of as a personification of the lower ego self.

People now see ego or lower self as a force to deny or to destroy in favor of a 'higher self'. But I don't think of the lower self as actuallly 'lower' than any other part of me.

Believing our 'true self' is some ethereal good personality and that problems come from our ego is the same as Christian belief in problems coming from sin nature and the true self as a redeemed child of God.

New Age is very much a part of the dualistic Western mindset. Hence, you won't find much love for satanists because they represent the lower self or ego to the New Age believer, which you seek to suppress in favor of a loving true self. Personally I'm not afraid of the different aspects of the mind and seek the best for all of them.

[running]

Originally Posted by magonia

It has many names, but does its existence have a specific purpose here in the three dimensional world? Is it a test so we have a choice between doing good or evil, or is his role something very different from what we have been taught? After all it was the early roman Christian church which decided what the book now called the Bible, contained, but what was left out, maybe this holds the key to the real purpose of this spiritual entity?

In my experience it was and is the parts of me that i havent accepted. I literaly had like an energetic war with that part of me. I have surrendered and gained a lot of me back. Its always the best part of me as it brings me closer to my godself. In surrendering i grow energeticaly and that in itself brings more bliss. And a feeling of wholeness. Its a beautiful thing accepting my darkness. In moderation. And at this time and for a while i fe done with that. Now im just growing without going thru the darkness. It was like a cave i went thru and now im popping out on the other side.

[running]

This is great to read Seawolf!

I feel the first paragraph says it all in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Seawolf

People now see ego or lower self as a force to deny or to destroy in favor of a 'higher self'. But I don't think of the lower self as actuallly 'lower' than any other part of me.

Regardless of our belief system we seem to think of certain aspects of the mind as 'lower' than others, which is just another way to place blame on things other than ourselves.

Believing our 'true self' is some ethereal good personality and that problems come from our ego is the same as Christian belief in problems coming from sin nature and the true self as a redeemed child of God.

New Age is very much a part of the dualistic Western mindset. Hence, you won't find much love for satanists because they represent the lower self or ego to the New Age believer, which you seek to suppress in favor of a loving true self. Personally I'm not afraid of the different aspects of the mind and seek the best for all of them.

Originally Posted by Animus27

In Hebrew the name/title is ha-satan which means adversary or accuser, and in Greek he is called diabolos, a word that has connotations of an obstacle being thrown across a pathway. The devil appeals to our fallen nature using deceptive promises, sowing doubt & fear, with the intention of leading us away from righteousness, attempting to make us think we don't need God, or that God doesn't care about us. By overcoming the myriad wiles of belial, with the Grace of the Lord, we're drawn closer to the Father of Lights, in whose light evil has no reality. It's only when we turn toward's the Good, that ba'alzebub turns his ire upon us fully, since we're no longer under his dominion, which is why the stories of the Saints are filled with demonic temptations and encounters. Just as Christ was tempted at the end of His 40 days of fasting.

Great post Animus. "The" Satan and Satan are different. The definite article is important. For it denotes what is, strictly speaking, a title meaning "the adversary" rather than a personal name for the Devil as, without the definite article, it becomes in the New Testament.

The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6.[4] Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-”, English “the”, is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the satan”.[5]

Ha-Satan with the definite article occurs 13 times in the Masoretic Text, in two books of the Hebrew Bible:

Job 1–2 (10x),[6]
Zechariah 3:1–2 (3x).[7]

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by running

In my experience it was and is the parts of me that i havent accepted. I literaly had like an energetic war with that part of me. I have surrendered and gained a lot of me back. Its always the best part of me as it brings me closer to my godself. In surrendering i grow energeticaly and that in itself brings more bliss. And a feeling of wholeness. Its a beautiful thing accepting my darkness. In moderation. And at this time and for a while i fe done with that. Now im just growing without going thru the darkness. It was like a cave i went thru and now im popping out on the other side.

I agree, and I have no fear or problem with Satanists or Satan. I respect people who are able to freely explore that part of them. We should be able to explore all aspects without fear or judgment. It's similar to the 'ego'. Instead of being something to be relieved of in favor of a 'true' or 'higher' self, I seek to love and accept that part of me the same as any other part. In fact even more because so much suffering is hidden in the 'ego'. To deny it in favor of the 'spiritual' just hurts myself.

And also I just like the idea of Satan! What a wonderful thing to have inside. It's just as wonderful as God inside. I don't fear either.

[running]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

I agree, and I have no fear or problem with Satanists or Satan. I respect people who are able to freely explore that part of them. We should be able to explore all aspects without fear or judgment. It's similar to the 'ego'. Instead of being something to be relieved of in favor of a 'true' or 'higher' self, I seek to love and accept that part of me the same as any other part. In fact even more because so much suffering is hidden in the 'ego'. To deny it in favor of the 'spiritual' just hurts myself.

And also I just like the idea of Satan! What a wonderful thing to have inside. It's just as wonderful as God inside. I don't fear either.

Thats awesome!

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by running

This is great to read Seawolf!

I feel the first paragraph says it all in my opinion.

Thanks I really enjoyed your post too! It's so helpful to find others who appreciate the lower part of us. I see so much pain being held in that part of me, I can't deny it or I'll cause myself even more pain.

[running]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

I agree, and I have no fear or problem with Satanists or Satan. I respect people who are able to freely explore that part of them. We should be able to explore all aspects without fear or judgment. It's similar to the 'ego'. Instead of being something to be relieved of in favor of a 'true' or 'higher' self, I seek to love and accept that part of me the same as any other part. In fact even more because so much suffering is hidden in the 'ego'. To deny it in favor of the 'spiritual' just hurts myself.

And also I just like the idea of Satan! What a wonderful thing to have inside. It's just as wonderful as God inside. I don't fear either.

I feel it makes us humble and whole to do so!