Done with the New Age

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Free1

I am glad there is no centralization. I need no other person to tell me what the truth is by force by an authoritarian structure. Put it all on the table and let me decide for myself. I have tried a lot of things, and some of the things where suspicious when looking back. But without this freedom to explore I would not approach meditation etc. I guess some benefit from a centralized path, and others do not. As the non-centralized environment has its flaws, so too does the centralized one.

And what I have found out is that the centralized path is full of contradictions, but the followers lack the ability to see that and they actively want to deny contradictions because of beliefs.

In my personal view, by the way, the enlightenment or realization is not bothered by contradictions, and zen masters who easily can be said to only meditate all the time, are among the most contradictory people on earth. :)

Please share the contradictions you find in the Mahayana or Dzogchen path? Are you familiar with yoga? Maybe you could tell me what is wrong with Kashmir shiavism?

What are the contradictions or the wrong view of these thousand of year old traditions?

[Free1]

Framing things in right and wrong will alone lead to contradictions as the nature include more then what that frame of understanding can grasp. If we find no contradiction, we have only fooled ourselves.

I believe you will find contradictory passages in texts, and practices if you examine them. But I will not try to convince. It is one possible inquiry for those interested.

[jonesboy]

So you are saying you have no clue but your just saying.

That is new age right there!!

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[Free1]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

So you are saying you have no clue but your just saying.

That is new age right there!!

Did I say that?

You are very "centralized", like an authority. :)

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Free1

Framing things in right and wrong will alone lead to contradictions as the nature include more then what that frame of understanding can grasp. If we find no contradiction, we have only fooled ourselves.

I believe you will find contradictory passages in texts, and practices if you examine them. But I will not try to convince. It is one possible inquiry for those interested.

That's actually the way of things. The only known is uncertainty. That's a contradiction, I know, but the entire Tao Te Ching is a contradiction. Contradiction in spiritual texts? Laozi was the master of that.

The Tao is like a bellows:
it is empty yet infinitely capable.
The more you use it, the more it produces;
the more you talk of it, the less you understand.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Free1

Did I say that?

You are very "centralized", like an authority. :)

It's more when people say things that they really don't have any clue about.

Are you not an authority that every tradition has contradictions without even looking? Therefore they must all be dismissed?

Seriously?

It's not just you but the common problem within a lot of spirituality.

Fear/anger holds a lot of people back.