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Old 18-03-2020, 12:56 PM
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Now, there's a Book of the Simple Way?

Post #9 Jonesboy gave a link.
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Old 18-03-2020, 01:54 PM
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Post #9 Jonesboy gave a link.
Thoughtful again ...I just can't google or click on every link to tell
me what could be easily said in a sentence.
That's just me. It's ok - this topic is obviously not for me.
I'm getting tired of asking where people live, also,
when they report what it's like where they live now.
I'm getting more like Shivani everyday!!!!!!
(More outspoken.) lol
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Old 18-03-2020, 02:06 PM
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....or both.

In Tantra, the "Father" and the "Mother" are inseparable, although one is reached and beseeched only through the other.

While it may sound confusing, consider this..

Jesus AS Jesus is not the "Father" even though he says: "I and the Father are one" but according to Christianity, the way TO the Father is through Jesus Christ, so Jesus also acts like the "middleman" between yourself and the Lord (Father).

Similarly, in Tantra, the way to Shiva is through Shakti and the way to Shakti is through Shiva.

This may also sound confusing, so let's break it down.

God or the Father is totally beyond His manifested energies yet is the creator OF them in the form of Prakriti or Shakti...the Goddess...so, by understanding God's manifested energies, God can thus be known through them and then by understanding God, His manifested energies can also be understood as being the cosmic dance between potent and intent.

It is like you have a problem, so you go ask your father and he says "ask your mother" so you go ask your mother and she says "ask your father" then you realise that what you are seeking is within yourself anyway...it is totally beyond the duality of "Divine Masculine" vs "Divine Feminine" because it is a combination of both, which leads to an either/neither or as an and/or scenario, which results in Samadhi... enlightenment.

The Tantric Hindus even have a Deity created for this very purpose when one cannot decide who to give their attention to...the Father or the Mother...it is called Ardharnarishvara or the "half and half God(dess)":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardhanarishvara

Meant for contemplating where one "ends" and the other "begins" until there is no "one" and no "other"... just both or neither.

From a Mystical Christianity point of view..

The Father is Emptiness the Tao.

The Father and Jesus being One is a perfect description of Non Duality, of realizing emptiness, of being a Realized Immortal.

Hinduism doesn't have the same concept of emptiness as Taoism or Buddhism or Mystical Christianity. There is Shiva and we are all within Shiva.
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Old 18-03-2020, 03:31 PM
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Thoughtful again ...I just can't google or click on every link to tell
me what could be easily said in a sentence.
That's just me. It's ok - this topic is obviously not for me.
I'm getting tired of asking where people live, also,
when they report what it's like where they live now.
I'm getting more like Shivani everyday!!!!!!
(More outspoken.) lol

Nisqually Indian resevation in the shadow of Mount Rainer.
40 some miles from Seatle, Washington USA.

What it's like?
Very beautiful, birds singing and sun peaking and COVID-19 spreading.
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Old 18-03-2020, 03:52 PM
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Thoughtful again ...I just can't google or click on every link to tell
me what could be easily said in a sentence.
That's just me. It's ok - this topic is obviously not for me.
I'm getting tired of asking where people live, also,
when they report what it's like where they live now.
I'm getting more like Shivani everyday!!!!!!
(More outspoken.) lol
Yes and I am proud of you.

*Only Miss Hepburn will get this*
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Old 18-03-2020, 04:14 PM
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From a Mystical Christianity point of view..

The Father is Emptiness the Tao.

The Father and Jesus being One is a perfect description of Non Duality, of realizing emptiness, of being a Realized Immortal.

Hinduism doesn't have the same concept of emptiness as Taoism or Buddhism or Mystical Christianity. There is Shiva and we are all within Shiva.
Mystical Christianity from a Hindu perspective....here we go..ready Tom?

Although the personage of Jesus was, in no doubt, a historical figure of great importance and significance, the title of being "the Christ" refers to the "Annointed One" blessed by the Lord's Grace which is through the whole "Baptism of Fire" and by now, you can probably tell where I am going to go with this..

The "Father" is that which descends, while the "Mother" is that which arises, both meeting within the heart..within the sacred fire pit of Bhairava.

The energy of the Father, of Shiva comes in through the Crown Chakra and is instilled as Krystos..as ambrosia within the sacred Pineal gland..and like Jacob, we need to climb the ladder of 33 steps (the vertebrae in the human spinal column and the years that Lord Jesus walked the earth) to access the key to immortality.

Who does this "climbing"? It is not the mind, ego nor personal will, but the Goddess within....pretty much the only Goddess there is.. Kundalini Shakti. Every other external manifestation of the Goddess is merely a symbolic representation OF Her.

So when the Shakti ascends to meet the Grace of Shiva, they both descend from the Crown, down into the Heart Chakra where the third force is awakened which transcends both...known as Sadashiva..Brahman..that aspect of God which is absolute and not relative.

I could go into this in a lot more depth, but then I will lose everyone more than I have already done. lol
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Mystical Christianity from a Hindu perspective....here we go..ready Tom?

Although the personage of Jesus was, in no doubt, a historical figure of great importance and significance, the title of being "the Christ" refers to the "Annointed One" blessed by the Lord's Grace which is through the whole "Baptism of Fire" and by now, you can probably tell where I am going to go with this..

The "Father" is that which descends, while the "Mother" is that which arises, both meeting within the heart..within the sacred fire pit of Bhairava.

The energy of the Father, of Shiva comes in through the Crown Chakra and is instilled as Krystos..as ambrosia within the sacred Pineal gland..and like Jacob, we need to climb the ladder of 33 steps (the vertebrae in the human spinal column and the years that Lord Jesus walked the earth) to access the key to immortality.

Who does this "climbing"? It is not the mind, ego nor personal will, but the Goddess within....pretty much the only Goddess there is.. Kundalini Shakti. Every other external manifestation of the Goddess is merely a symbolic representation OF Her.

So when the Shakti ascends to meet the Grace of Shiva, they both descend from the Crown, down into the Heart Chakra where the third force is awakened which transcends both...known as Sadashiva..Brahman..that aspect of God which is absolute and not relative.

I could go into this in a lot more depth, but then I will lose everyone more than I have already done. lol


Again, you are describing the Hindu perspective.

Here are some teachings from Mystical Christianity.

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Defining The Holy Grail...

Regarding the concept of the "Holy Grail", in gnostic Christian traditions it represent the "Shekinah of the Messiah" (or Holy Spirit). The completion (or consort) of a Man (or Woman) as the primordial Adam. In the concept of Christian enlightenment, primordial Adam is beyond male and female separation (or contains both sexes). It is very similar to other traditions where gods are alway seen as having a consort or sometimes having both male and female sexual organs. The Gospel of Thomas describes it as follows...


22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom." They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."

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Communion - A Mystical Perspective...

26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” 27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.” 30 When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.


The words are describing in symbolic terms the meaning of true communion. Jesus is describing an advanced form of light transmission (or shared oneness/presence), similar to guru/divinity yoga. Historically, there have been two main different types of transmission. First, earth or Mother energy often called Shakipat (leading to Kundalini). And second, sharing of presence (or knowledge) which momentarily create a state of "clarity of mind".


In communion, the "body" represent body/mother energy or "Kundalini". The "blood" represents spirit energy or "state of knowledge". In Christian terms, the state of knowledge is often also called "the peace that passes all human understanding". Bringing together both components greatly accelerates overall human development because you have the "kundalini" force pushing ongoing "clarity" rapidly forward, while the guru/master provides an ongoing "sharing" of peace (mental clarity) to help protect from the normal issues that can come from kundalini. This shared clarity or peace is also why many Christian's will describe a "top down" rather than a "bottom up" feeling to energy/kundalini.


In more esoteric gnostic christian texts, it is often call things like the "bridal or marriage chamber". As in the Gospel of Thomas...

75. Jesus said, "There are many standing at the door, but those who are alone will enter the bridal suite."

Also, from the Secret Gospel of Mary...

12. Disciples of Mary said to her, “We are going on a pilgrimage to the holy land so we might see where you and the Lord lived.” Mary said to them, “The holy land is wherever a child of Light goes, and it is where the child of Light abides. The holy land is where the Anointed and the soul are joined, it is the bridal chamber.”

23. Mary spoke, and said, “There is baptism, chrism and wedding feast, and there is the ransom and bridal chamber. Baptism is water, chrism is fire and the ransom is earth. The wedding feast is the air, for in the Spirit we shall meet the Anointed on the Day of Joy, and then the element of the bridal chamber shall be fully revealed. Everything the Lord accomplished he accomplished in a mystery, and the Anointed Bride is the mystery.”

48. Mary taught her disciples, saying, “The Aeons of Light are the handmaids of the Bride at the wedding feast, and the best man is the Son of Adam at the wedding; in the bridal chamber the soul acquires intimate acquaintance with the Anointed and becomes the Anointed. Until that time, sing and dance and rejoice, for it is to those who abide in joy that the Shekinah comes, and it is through her that you will enter the bridal chamber.”
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Old 18-03-2020, 09:55 PM
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Mystical Christianity from a Hindu perspective....here we go..ready Tom?

Although the personage of Jesus was, in no doubt, a historical figure of great importance and significance, the title of being "the Christ" refers to the "Annointed One" blessed by the Lord's Grace which is through the whole "Baptism of Fire" and by now, you can probably tell where I am going to go with this..

The "Father" is that which descends, while the "Mother" is that which arises, both meeting within the heart..within the sacred fire pit of Bhairava.

The energy of the Father, of Shiva comes in through the Crown Chakra and is instilled as Krystos..as ambrosia within the sacred Pineal gland..and like Jacob, we need to climb the ladder of 33 steps (the vertebrae in the human spinal column and the years that Lord Jesus walked the earth) to access the key to immortality.

Who does this "climbing"? It is not the mind, ego nor personal will, but the Goddess within....pretty much the only Goddess there is.. Kundalini Shakti. Every other external manifestation of the Goddess is merely a symbolic representation OF Her.

So when the Shakti ascends to meet the Grace of Shiva, they both descend from the Crown, down into the Heart Chakra where the third force is awakened which transcends both...known as Sadashiva..Brahman..that aspect of God which is absolute and not relative.

I could go into this in a lot more depth, but then I will lose everyone more than I have already done. lol

I agree that the mother ascends and the father descends but IME they meet in the head and stay there, and produce this ‘third force’. Mother Earth and Father sky in the old traditions maybe, and they produce something at the line where they meet.

I’ll have to look into ‘Brahman’, see if that resonates with me.
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Old 19-03-2020, 03:56 AM
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What is "z"?

Something weird happened with copy and paste.

in the link the word for z is (is) no idea why it switched so many
characters when I copied and pasted.
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[color=Black]Thoughtful again ...I just can't google or click on every link to tell
me what could be easily said in a sentence.

Roger that.
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Wazi ya tanhan, ka te na Wa ska ki u ya ye ki,

Hena un taku ya kage ki, ya glu ska kta, he ca nu,

He iye cel, Wakantanka, Anpetu ki le, Micante Ki Mi ci yu ska ye,

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