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Old 19-03-2020, 04:48 AM
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Roger that.
Requested sentence:Ate Wankantanka, Mitawa ki,

Wazi ya tanhan, ka te na Wa ska ki u ya ye ki,

Hena un taku ya kage ki, ya glu ska kta, he ca nu,

He iye cel, Wakantanka, Anpetu ki le, Micante Ki Mi ci yu ska ye,

He cel tohanl, nitokab woyasu ki el, wahinajin ki, ima ya cu kta.


LOKOTA PRAYER


You provided the transliterated version.


The English version of what you provided is:

"My Father, Great Spirit,
Who send'est the wind and the White Snow from the north,
To make thy creation clean and pure,
Father, make me clean and pure within my heart,
That I may be accepted in thy sight and judgement."




The second part, which you did not provide is:

"Father, Great Spirit
To the east from whence cometh the rising of the sun,
and all thy living creation,
Thou hast added another day to my life,
for which I give thee Thanks with all my heart."
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Old 19-03-2020, 04:40 PM
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LOKOTA PRAYER


You provided the transliterated version.


The English version of what you provided is:

"My Father, Great Spirit,
Who send'est the wind and the White Snow from the north,
To make thy creation clean and pure,
Father, make me clean and pure within my heart,
That I may be accepted in thy sight and judgement."



The second part, which you did not provide is:

"Father, Great Spirit
To the east from whence cometh the rising of the sun,
and all thy living creation,
Thou hast added another day to my life,
for which I give thee Thanks with all my heart."

You correct on all accounts, except the version you provided is the transliterated version from the Lakota language.

Plus I was noticing how this first part of this prayer could easily be
interchanged with a Christian prayer.

It is ironic that Native Ways can except and adopt many christian ways easily.
But not many Christians can except Native ways and may even call them
evil and down grade The People as savages.

I would say that many Native ways have Mothers and Fathers in balance.
Many Christian ways have stripped out many feminine references in scripture and practices.
Many of the Christian ways I know about see raping the Mother of resources
as a blessing from the Father.
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Old 19-03-2020, 05:08 PM
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You correct on all accounts, except the version you provided is the transliterated version from the Lakota language.

Plus I was noticing how this first part of this prayer could easily be
interchanged with a Christian prayer.

It is ironic that Native Ways can except and adopt many christian ways easily.
But not many Christians can except Native ways and may even call them
evil and down grade The People as savages.

I would say that many Native ways have Mothers and Fathers in balance.
Many Christian ways have stripped out many feminine references in scripture and practices.
Many of the Christian ways I know about see raping the Mother of resources
as a blessing from the Father.


Depends on the Christian Tradition. The Greek Orthodox has some good stuff.

From St. Symeon The New Theologian



“By what boundless mercy, my Savior, have you allowed me to become a member of

your body? Me, the unclean, the defiled, the prodigal. How is it that you have clothed

me in the brilliant garment, radiant with the splendor of immortality, that turns all my

members into light? Your body, immaculate and divine, is all radiant with the fire of your

divinity, with which it is ineffably joined and combined. This is the gift you have given

me, my God: that this mortal and shabby frame has become one with your immaculate

body and that my blood has mingled with your blood.” (8)



“I thank you that you have become one spirit with me, without confusion, without

mutation, without transformation, you the God of all; and that you have become

everything for me, inexpressible and perfectly gratuitous nourishment, which ever flows

to the lips of my soul and gushes out into the fountain of my heart, dazzling garment

which burns the demons, purification which bathes me with these imperishable and holy

tears, that your presence brings to those whom you visit. I give you thanks that for me

you have become unsetting light and non-declining sun…” (9)



8. Johannes Koder: Hymnes; Vol 156 (1-15), 1969; Vol 174 (16-40), 1971; Vol 196

(41-58), 1973

9. Saint Symeon the New Theologian And Orthodox Tradition, by Bishop Hilarion

Alfeyev, Oxford University Press 2000
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Old 19-03-2020, 05:30 PM
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Depends on the Christian Tradition. The Greek Orthodox has some good stuff.

From St. Symeon The New Theologian


Yes, I agree it depends.
I was careful to say Many, and many christian ways I know.

Here in America we have many Christian traditions that evolved out
of the Catholic traditions and influences.
I would say that the Catholic church weaponized Christianity to
conquer and control peoples and tribes across Europe that Lived from
and with the land.They then continued that practice here.
In Europe you can read of the killing of female witches
as a way to rid groups of the feminine use of the powers and goodness of the earth/Mother.
Then subjugate through a Father like punishing God.
And making people dependent on the church as an intercessor instead of
people being able to speak/commune with Masculine Gods and Feminine Goddesses.
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Old 19-03-2020, 10:25 PM
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My mother has her little collection of Mary statues, and there are Marian priests, in the end people will find what they need it seems, anyway the Catholic Church left the door wide open when in his Ineffabilis Deus in 1854, Pope Pius IX wrote:

“Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours. With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to venerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. Because, while bearing toward us a truly motherly affection and having in her care the work of our salvation, she is solicitous about the whole human race. And since she has been appointed by God to be the Queen of heaven and earth, and is exalted above all the choirs of angels and saints, and even stands at the right hand of her only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, she presents our petitions in a most efficacious manner. What she asks, she obtains. Her pleas can never be unheard.“
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Old 20-03-2020, 05:45 PM
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My mother has her little collection of Mary statues, and there are Marian priests, in the end people will find what they need it seems, anyway the Catholic Church left the door wide open when in his Ineffabilis Deus in 1854, Pope Pius IX wrote:

“Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours. With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to venerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. Because, while bearing toward us a truly motherly affection and having in her care the work of our salvation, she is solicitous about the whole human race. And since she has been appointed by God to be the Queen of heaven and earth, and is exalted above all the choirs of angels and saints, and even stands at the right hand of her only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, she presents our petitions in a most efficacious manner. What she asks, she obtains. Her pleas can never be unheard.“

Do you know if Mary represents the Earth Mother, the Mother of all living life forms?
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Old 20-03-2020, 08:42 PM
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Do you know if Mary represents the Earth Mother, the Mother of all living life forms?

She is considered to be queen of heaven and all of earth because she was the mother of God, but I don’t think she is considered to be the earth mother in the sense of mother of all living things.
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Old 20-03-2020, 11:28 PM
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Ok, don't laugh - Who is Laozi/Laotze?
What is a Dao, black Pope? A Satanic Bible?
Now, there's a Book of the Simple Way?
What is "z"?
Thank you, Big John for telling us that was from Thomas. And thank you RabbiO for us uninformed.
Seems like this thread is an exclusive club of esoteric readers, and the heck with anyone else.
I'm sure many have come and just left, also, learning nothing. *scratches head*

"Seems like this thread is an exclusive club of esoteric readers, and the heck with anyone else. I'm sure many have come and just left, also, learning nothing. *scratches head*"

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Old 20-03-2020, 11:32 PM
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Thoughtful again ...I just can't google or click on every link to tell
me what could be easily said in a sentence.
That's just me. It's ok - this topic is obviously not for me.
I'm getting tired of asking where people live, also,
when they report what it's like where they live now.
I'm getting more like Shivani everyday!!!!!!
(More outspoken.) lol

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