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Old 02-03-2011, 09:56 AM
aghora
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dharma and adharma

according to the srimad bhagvad mahapurana, dharma arose from brahma's chest whereas adharma from his back. also krishna says in chapter 15 of the srimad bhagvad gita that every living being is a part and parcel of him. then why were adharma, lust, anger, greed and such negatives created at all. according to the gita, the odds are hopelessly loaded against a jivatma, for even if elevated to the highest of the 14 spiritual planes, it is subject to the miseries of birth, old age and death. of course, krishna mentions that his devotee can easily overcome these difficulties. but then what is the point of creating a jivatma in all its imperfection, subjecting it to nearly 100 years of brahma's life (311 trillion earth years) and then merging it back into the paramatma that too at the sole discretion of the paramatma. this sounds very cynical but it is a very fundamental question - how and why were we separated from the supersoul and what is the point of it all if this is an illusory world created by maya under the lord's direction. could anyone please provide enlightenment? each day, these questions knaw at the core of my very being and makes mundane life appear so pointless.
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Old 02-03-2011, 10:01 PM
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Jivas true home is vaikuntha, all jivas created resided there first. All jiva serve vishnu there however some of us, were attracted to maya's allure. Maya dazzled the jiva promising an existence without servitude, where you are your own master. Vishnu asked every jiva first "are you sure you want to go there?" .......obviously you and I said yes. However to your own master you must forget the real master which is vishnu. This is Maya the place of illusion for the deluded. The reasons for lust , anger etc is vishnu's deliberate plan to make you sick of this place forcing you seek a higher truth. It is said he can make this place a joy but this is only if you develop godly qualities and one can enter indra's home for example as long as you knw like Indra that vishnu is supreme. Vishnu is the father of all jiva's and he like any cannot tolerate being separated from his son forever.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:06 AM
aghora
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Jivas true home is vaikuntha, all jivas created resided there first. All jiva serve vishnu there however some of us, were attracted to maya's allure. Maya dazzled the jiva promising an existence without servitude, where you are your own master. Vishnu asked every jiva first "are you sure you want to go there?" .......obviously you and I said yes. However to your own master you must forget the real master which is vishnu. This is Maya the place of illusion for the deluded. The reasons for lust , anger etc is vishnu's deliberate plan to make you sick of this place forcing you seek a higher truth. It is said he can make this place a joy but this is only if you develop godly qualities and one can enter indra's home for example as long as you knw like Indra that vishnu is supreme. Vishnu is the father of all jiva's and he like any cannot tolerate being separated from his son forever.

thanx for the info...could u please state the source i.e. purana/ upanishad/ veda or any other text? i also subscribe to the theory that all our suffering is due to separation from the godhead, our ego and ignorance (like an individual spark telling the fire - i am the fire - whereas the spark has no independent existence!) and that the only mission of all jivas is to unite with the godhead thru bhakti (some very rare souls thru jnana/ karma/ raja yoga). i'm talking of the stage before vaikuntha and vishnudutas were created. apparently, in the unmanifest state, the godhead was complete but there arose a desire within to manifest. all desire is thus attributed to that original need to manifest. surely god knew that this would lead to creation of samsara - a never-ending misery? why did the godhead permit it?
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:21 PM
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Before vaikuntha and the vishnudutas, when there were no jivas or anything it was said only Krishna stood. His expansion and the second being was Balarama. From them everything inumerable different vishnutattva expansions appeared and thus vaikuntha appeared. The vishnutattavas are krishna and Balaram's different forms. The conch shell, lotus etc are held in different Hands. One of the vishnutattvas is lord anirudha, the demigod karm dev or cupid is a self realized soul. He comes from lord anirudha. In other words this jiva who is the demigod directly
Belongs to Lord anirudha. Therefore jivas come the different vishnutattvas. While karm dev source is known. You and I still have to discover to whom we belong. All this I have learnt comes from A.C bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada.



Understand this, the demigods except shiva are jiva attma even Brahma. Here's the confusion, Krsna tells arjuna in the bhagavadgita: there wasn't a time when you and I didn't not exist, o' arjuna.

This means when krishna was in that instance alone you and I were present with him. We are his pet and parcel. Yet we are individuals. We make our decisions.

Books: raja vidya - king of knowledge.
The gita, sri isopanishad.

Truthfully I've read almost all by Prabhupada and most of what I knw stems from there. However its hard to remember sometimes exactly from which book.
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Old 23-04-2011, 04:47 PM
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Hello

Dharma is ---- What is just right?
adharma is ---- aghora?


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Old 24-04-2011, 08:48 AM
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Dharma is ---- What is just right?
adharma is ---- aghora?


iksvakave

dharma is righteousness and a-dharma is that which is against dharma. in a very broad sense it is good and evil respectively. just as an example, in the epic mahabharata, the kauravas snatching away the kingdom of the pandavas (first by dhritrashtra due to his greed/ ambition and later by duryodhana due to his greed/ jealousy) is a-dharma. on the other hand, yudhishtir treating dhritrashtra and gandhari as his own parents after the end of the war (forgetting the many ways dhritrashtra and his sons had wronged them innumerable times) is dharma.
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Old 24-04-2011, 01:42 PM
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Aghora -- This is for you!

Making an attempt to understand the verse you quoted:

ekam shastram devaki-putra gitam, eko devo devaki-putra eva, eko mantroh tastya namani yani karmapyekam tasya devasya seva

Only one (ekam) scripture (shastram) Devaki-putra (sri krishna 's) Gita (gitim)

The one (eko) god (devo) devaki-putra (sri Krishna)

Certainly (eva) the one (eko) mantra (mantroh) that (tasya) I bow down to him (namami)

All that (Yani) action (karmapy)—onlyone (ekam) of that (tasya)

Devasya seva ----- God’s service ---- In Sanskrit you would say “devasya seva” and we all know it means service to god.


What is saying in complete sentences:

Only one scripture and that is given by Devaki-purta – Sri Krishna.
The one god is devaki-putra --- Sri Krishna
Certainly with the one mantra that I bow down to him -----
What is the mantra?
Of all those actions only one of that matters ----- devasya seva --- Service to God.
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Old 25-04-2011, 12:42 PM
aghora
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Making an attempt to understand the verse you quoted:

ekam shastram devaki-putra gitam, eko devo devaki-putra eva, eko mantroh tastya namani yani karmapyekam tasya devasya seva

Only one (ekam) scripture (shastram) Devaki-putra (sri krishna 's) Gita (gitim)

The one (eko) god (devo) devaki-putra (sri Krishna)

Certainly (eva) the one (eko) mantra (mantroh) that (tasya) I bow down to him (namami)

All that (Yani) action (karmapy)—onlyone (ekam) of that (tasya)

Devasya seva ----- God’s service ---- In Sanskrit you would say “devasya seva” and we all know it means service to god.


What is saying in complete sentences:

Only one scripture and that is given by Devaki-purta – Sri Krishna.
The one god is devaki-putra --- Sri Krishna
Certainly with the one mantra that I bow down to him -----
What is the mantra?
Of all those actions only one of that matters ----- devasya seva --- Service to God.



apologies for the garbled message...quote (by lord shiva) in gita mahatmya is as under -

ekam sastram devaki-putra-gitam
eko devo devaki-putra eva
eko mantroh tasya namani yani
karmapy ekam tasya devasya seva (Gita-mahatmya 7)

In this present day, people are eager to have one scripture, one God, one religion, and one occupation. there is one scripture for the world—Bhagavad-gita. there is one God —Sri Krsna. And one mantra chanting His name. there is one karma —rendering service to Him

the maha-mantra hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare ram hare ram ram ram hare hare has been given by chaitanya mahaprabhu and followod by iskcon devotees.

trust this helps - hare krishna.
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:49 AM
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Old 23-05-2011, 05:08 PM
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Sat Purusha or the True Being radiates a light which is the equivalent of billions of suns. He is beyond the capacity of human language or intellect to describe. Sat Purusha directs and controls the creation and dissolution of the whole universe, but His region is immune from any such change. This Great Being derives His power from the Supreme One, the All Highest, Who is known as Anami Purusha—the Nameless One.

The second Division is known as Brahmanda (the Egg of Brahm) so termed because of its elliptical shape. It embraces in their totality the two lowest Divisions, Anda and Pinda. The summit of this mighty Region is the Brahmanda itself; the middle section is known as Anda; and the lowest part is Pinda. Brahmanda is predominantly spiritual, but has a certain admixture of refined matter. The inhabitants of this spirito-material region are unutterably happy, but they are not immortal like the beings in the highest region. However, they do live in an infinitely vaster time-scale than do we beings of the Fourth Division. Brahmanda goes into dissolution at the end of each major cosmic life-cycle.

Brahmanda is the region of Brahm and Par-Brahm, who are also known as Kal and Maha-Kal, Brahm is the Being who is entrusted with the direction and control of the material creation and is an assistant of Par-Brahm. He is the Ruler of the Three Worlds: Brahmanda, Anda and Pinda, comprising the lower, impermanent divisions of creation. Par-Brahm resides in the upper and subtler section of Brahmanda, and Brahm resides in the lower, more material section. In the lower section of Brahmanda, mind is supreme; mind being itself composed of the subtilized form of matter with a certain admixture of spirit substance. Trikuti, the lower section of Brahmanda, is therefore known as the region of Universal Mind.


The Third Division, known as Anda, is the nearest Division to the physical world. Its central capital is termed Sahasra-dal-Kanwal, or the "Lotus of a thousand petals," and this capital is the power-house of the physical world. The time-scale in Anda is shorter than that in Brahmanda, but still much longer than in the physical world. The region of Anda, up to and including Trikuti, goes into dissolution at the end of a lesser cosmic life-cycle which lasts for many millions of years. The "heavens" of the social religions are located in Anda and in the lowest sections of Brahmanda. The Swargas all here and are very beautiful, but they are all subject to eventual dissolution.

The fourth and lowest Division of Creation is known as Pinda, This comprises the entirety of our physical universe: all the planets, sun, stars, systems, galaxies, and cosmic schemes known and unknown to modern astronomy. Matter in our physical universe is in its coarsest, most dense form, with very limited admixture of spirit substance, just enough to vivify matter and maintain life.

Excerpts from : ruhanisatsang.org
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