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Old 13-06-2012, 11:14 AM
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i see your a young male trappedinabody, don't know why but i assumed you to be female, excuse the confusion. are you reprimanding your brothers? as i find the notion of an older brother giving their younger brother "a lil smack on the butt" a bit odd. and if "a few times a week" is acceptable one would wonder whether smacking was your first resort..
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Old 13-06-2012, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by trappedinabody

well if a child is acting up maybe just a few times a week...what do you do?
me: lil smack on the butt and a "dont be doing that"


i would like to draw your attention to the idea of the specific affect of smacking the buttocks as opposed to any other part of the body. i had always considered this to be sexually violating. the following is excerpted from this page which you might like to peruse. it's well written i feel:: http://nospank.net/sexdngrs.htm

THE SEXUAL DANGERS
OF SPANKING CHILDREN


Spanking, defined as slapping of the buttocks, is a form of hitting and thus of physical violence. That fact alone should make the spanking of children unacceptable by the same standards that protect adults, who are not as vulnerable. However, there is more to spanking than simply hitting: spanking also trespasses on one of the body’s most private and sexual areas—the buttocks.

Children are sexual beings
The sexuality of the buttocks is significant not just to adults, but to children as well. Even though they are sexually immature and without an active sex drive, children are from birth neurologically complete sexual beings who are capable of experiencing erotic sensation. The existence of pedophiles, furthermore, means that children can also become the targets of sexual intentions. As much as we might like to imagine childhood as an innocent, carefree world beyond the influence of sexuality, we do children a disservice if we fail to recognize that they too have erogenous zones which deserve consideration and respect.

Spanking as sexual violation
Since children are sexual beings and since the buttocks are a sexual region of the body, we should question the propriety of slapping children’s buttocks. We generally understand that fondling or caressing a child’s buttocks is a sexual offense (even if the child does not understand it to be so). We also know that slapping an adult’s buttocks is a sexual offense (even if the offender does not get sexual pleasure from doing so).

The question, then, is why slapping a child’s buttocks is not considered a sexual offense. Is it because spanking, unlike fondling, is physically painful and used to punish misbehavior? No, or painfully spanking a misbehaving adult would not be a sexual offense. Is it because children are less likely to be sexual targets than adults, less likely to feel violated, and therefore protected less strictly? No, or fondling an adult would be a far more serious crime than fondling a child. A more plausible explanation for this breach of logic is simply that the majority of people are unable or unwilling to believe there could be anything indecent about a practice as old, common and accepted as the spanking of children—something which nearly everyone has received, given or witnessed at least once. And since spankings typically come from esteemed or even beloved authority figures, many people are loath to question this behavior.

Spanking as sexual abuse
As in ages past, there are people today who are sexually excited by spanking. This trait, which is often expressed in pornography and associated with sadomasochism, is known in scientific literature as flagellantism. While many flagellants seek to engage in consensual spanking between adults, some find the spanking of minors to be either more arousing or more opportune.

a very insdightfull article in my view.
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Old 13-06-2012, 02:28 PM
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some quotes::

“In many cases, the avowed disciplinary value of flagellation in schools and colleges was a mere pretense to enable sadists to secure sexual titillation.”
George Ryley Scott

“The adult flagellant fantasy, in short, always derives from the infantile one. As with all sexual perversions, we are dealing with a variety of arrested development...that puberty and subsequent experience have been unable to dislodge... We need to examine its roots in childhood...”
Ian Gibson,

“Frequent spankings, too, may have a negative impact on sex development. Because of the proximity of the sex organs, a child may get sexually aroused when spanked. Or he may so enjoy the making up that follows the punishment that he will seek suffering as a necessary prelude to love. There are many adult couples who seem to need a good fight before a good night.”
Dr. Haim G. Ginott,

but the fact that many have had and do it makes us insensitive to the ramifications of the action of smacking a child here..
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Old 13-06-2012, 06:38 PM
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what does my gender have to do with anything? or my age? are you a sexist?
imo these quotes you post display a very odd gross way of thinking about it.
also imo to say we can be friendly and disagree and then to come back later on and suggest these quotes which insinuate someone who spanks children as being a child molester is a very funny way of trying to bring peace...
i never said i spank my brothers, i never said they get spanked everytime they act up. i will say that to falsely assume is a very bad habit, however.
i stand by my view that spanking is better than these adhd medications as a first resort. (have you ever seen the test which "verifies" if your child does or does not have adhd?) i stand by my view that if the spanking is giving you no results, it is time to try something new, and the things you suggest would probably work just fine. (this was my way of trying to be friendly and disagree since the beginning...)
however, to see a child act up and automatically go to changing all these things is ridiculous. children are growing up, they are learning. part of that learning is learning discipline, when and when not a certain behavior is acceptable.

and might i add that the buttocks is the most cushioned part of the body, so an occasional slap anywhere else imo would be violence.
also i could see that excessive spanking or spanking hard enough to leave a mark is violent.
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Old 13-06-2012, 07:54 PM
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what does my gender have to do with anything? or my age? are you a sexist?
imo these quotes you post display a very odd gross way of thinking about it.
also imo to say we can be friendly and disagree and then to come back later on and suggest these quotes which insinuate someone who spanks children as being a child molester is a very funny way of trying to bring peace...
i never said i spank my brothers, i never said they get spanked everytime they act up. i will say that to falsely assume is a very bad habit, however.
i stand by my view that spanking is better than these adhd medications as a first resort. (have you ever seen the test which "verifies" if your child does or does not have adhd?) i stand by my view that if the spanking is giving you no results, it is time to try something new, and the things you suggest would probably work just fine. (this was my way of trying to be friendly and disagree since the beginning...)
however, to see a child act up and automatically go to changing all these things is ridiculous. children are growing up, they are learning. part of that learning is learning discipline, when and when not a certain behavior is acceptable.

and might i add that the buttocks is the most cushioned part of the body, so an occasional slap anywhere else imo would be violence.
also i could see that excessive spanking or spanking hard enough to leave a mark is violent.

nothing wrong with your sex or age, just a surprise thats all. never said you did spank your bros i was asking if you did. i haven't been unfriendly and the posts are for everyone not just you. i said i disagree with your version of discipline and how you chjose to enforce it...for me folk look outward for discipline when they have none inwardly. the post was trying to show you that some people think that smacking this area is very wrong for the reasons stated. i haven't done any lols ;) or but tried to put the points as i see it without being personal but at the same time expressing myself, ok.

you portray me as the bad guy whilst at the same time claim to be friendly. you look for any avenue to lump me as the hobgoblin. a sharp word of anger directed at someone is a form of violence i feel, so just because it doesn't physically hurt does not mean that its not damaging emotionally, spiritually, sexually and mentally. just because many do it, as the post says, does not mean its not a terrible act. even if you've never layed your hands on anyone ever you accept a few times a week on the "butt" as ok behaviour, i strongly disagree.
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Old 13-06-2012, 08:03 PM
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look chap you know what i think i know what you think and everyone knows what we think so how about agree to disagree and shake hands?
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Old 01-10-2012, 01:17 AM
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hi Daisy, if you're referring to my post then i said, "whenever possible, avoid"...not don't give them.
where has anyone implied its not real?
i believe amphetamine is one drug used to control adhd...surely if you can control with diet or other factors then thats preferable no? my doctor can't stand complimentary therapy. the OP is asking for natural remedy advice and the forum subsection is "natural remedies".
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Vitamin B3 is having some very good results and also coconut oil .In my opinion its alot safer than using drugs from the doctor that can have nasty long term effects.
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Old 01-10-2012, 01:19 AM
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tryptophan and high dosages of niacin...

search for ADHD and niacin...


Niacin has been my life saver from a kundalini experience that went wrong.

Just make sure the niacin which you use is nicotinic acid the others are bad for liver in high doses.
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