What happens when we die

[Staceyboo]

Hi, what do you believe happens when you die I have been thinking a lot about this recently I work in a job were I see a lot of death and it always confuses me when I person dies there physically there but there not if that makes any sense I look at them and there not there I still talk to them as if they was there but there not I can't seem to get my head round it. Last year a close family member died of cancer and they promised me they would visit when they went but they haven't is this because they can't or is it because there just gone you live then die or our we just not ment to know what happens when we die until we die what are everyone's thoughts on this am not a religious person so don't really believe in heaven and hell but find it hard to believe we just die

No ones answered,so i will.: p

I generally believe in past lives and after lives.

Do some research on google.

[big_fluffet]

I don't think there's an answer for what happens when "we" as a species die. Some of us seem to hang around Earth for a long time but other people go to Heaven or Hell(or think they do, I'm on the fence about NDEs since they can conflict with each other) so it probably depends on what you think happens to you, but I think we all keep on ticking after the batteries are dead.

[Dargor]

In my case, hopefully NOT this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H_GAnTry4U

Staceyboo;
Lets look at all the peoples and cultures that history can tell us about.Or that you can conceive of.
How many cultures can you say do not believe in an after life.
I would say that I cannot think of 1 except in the modern age of industrialism.

Why would industrialism not want to believe in the after life?
It wants all your focus on producing here and now so the capitalists can continue to make great gains.
Greed says: "get it now because this is all there is."
So your statement "find it hard to believe we just die" is a good one and a good start.

Just MY OPINION.

[Jainarayan]

As a Hindu I believe in reincarnation, with our births being governed by our karma from all past lives. Between this life and the next birth, we have beliefs in a sort of Purgatory. Some may stay there for a while, some may reincarnate immediately. Svarga is the heaven version, Naraka is the less-than-heavenly version, but it is not hell, nor are either permanent. They're just stopovers between births.

[EdmundJohnstone]

Physicist Carl Sagan said:

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking."

He believed in a God as a Universal Force

What do you think of his statement?

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by EdmundJohnstone

Physicist Carl Sagan said:

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking."

What do you think of his statement?

Did Carl Sagan ever bother to truly investigate this with an open mind? Or was he imprisoned by his own concepts.

Peace.

[EdmundJohnstone]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Did Carl Sagan ever bother to truly investigate this with an open mind? Or was he imprisoned by his own concepts.

Peace.

I think he did not investigate with an open mind, more imprisoned in his own concepts IMO.

However, this Doctor Sam Parnia investigated NDE (near death experiences) and this is what he had to say:

“They describe a sensation of experiencing their deceased relatives, almost as if they have come to welcome them. They often say that they didn’t want to come back in many cases, it is so comfortable and it is like a magnet that draws them that they don’t want to come back.

“A lot of people describe a sensation of separating from themselves and watching doctors and nurses working on them.”

Dr Parnia says there are scientific explanations for the reaction, and says seeing people is not evidence of the afterlife, but more likely the brain just scanning itself as a survival technique.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by EdmundJohnstone

I think he did not investigate with an open mind, more imprisoned in his own concepts IMO.

However, this Doctor Sam Parnia investigated NDE (near death experiences) and this is what he had to say:

“They describe a sensation of experiencing their deceased relatives, almost as if they have come to welcome them. They often say that they didn’t want to come back in many cases, it is so comfortable and it is like a magnet that draws them that they don’t want to come back.

“A lot of people describe a sensation of separating from themselves and watching doctors and nurses working on them.”

Dr Parnia says there are scientific explanations for the reaction, and says seeing people is not evidence of the afterlife, but more likely the brain just scanning itself as a survival technique.

And perhaps the so-called scientific explanations are based on a false premise. This comes back to the prevailing theory of science that all consciousness, thinking etc originates in the brain and therefore any NDE is due to the brain firing neurons in a last attempt to survive.

Yet many scientists question the belief that consciousness is created by the brain. Some may be reluctant to openly go against prevailing opinion because it might threaten their careers and credibility, but others are willing to put forward alternative ideas about consciousness.

There are esoteric/occult explanations of NDE which are far more convincing (to me) than the idea of the brain scanning itself. But scientists such as Sam Parnia have to come up with an explanation which fits their beliefs. Just because someone has the title of Doctor does not mean that they really understand the phenomenon of NDE.

Peace.