Does atheism discourage values?

Originally Posted by psychoslice

But this is my point, atheist are no different, there are good and bad in all, but when one side tries to belittle the other then I will voice my opinion, religion is in no place to belittle the other, just take a look at their history, If it wasn't for those who question religion we would be still in the dark age's, why cannot religion see that ?. Keep religion to yourself, keep it out of politics and schools, as also with atheists, but then atheism isn't a belief system.

It is a belief. It is also a belief that the universe just popped into existence for no apparent reason or cause. It is also a belief that the physics constants are caused by natural phenomena, yet nobody, not Dawkins, not Hawking, nobody can tell us what the natural phenomena is. For all we know, it was God, the Creator, who set the physics constants to specific values, and caused the big bang.

I don't understand why you come to the aid of anyone who is being belittled. According to your beliefs, there is no afterlife (and no reward for good behaviour). You are just a hairy primate living in a universe with no purpose. Your life is meaningless according to your own belief system.

Originally Posted by Mazulu

It is a belief. It is also a belief that the universe just popped into existence for no apparent reason or cause. It is also a belief that the physics constants are caused by natural phenomena, yet nobody, not Dawkins, not Hawking, nobody can tell us what the natural phenomena is. For all we know, it was God, the Creator, who set the physics constants to specific values, and caused the big bang.

Occam's razor.

I don't understand why you come to the aid of anyone who is being belittled. According to your beliefs, there is no afterlife (and no reward for good behaviour). You are just a hairy primate living in a universe with no purpose. Your life is meaningless according to your own belief system.

(now it's my turn to come to someone's aid ) Meaning doesn't have to be the an intrinsic property of the universe to be... well, meaningful. Ultimately meaning in any form is a human concept of sorts, even if you're a theist, our ideas of meaning and purpose can't really be applied to God, since a god is beyond human emotions and intellect. So in pragmatic terms, it doesn't matter whether you derive meaning from a belief in a deity, or from living your life fully. Reading up on existentialism may benefit you.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Mazulu

It is a belief. It is also a belief that the universe just popped into existence for no apparent reason or cause. It is also a belief that the physics constants are caused by natural phenomena, yet nobody, not Dawkins, not Hawking, nobody can tell us what the natural phenomena is. For all we know, it was God, the Creator, who set the physics constants to specific values, and caused the big bang.

I don't understand why you come to the aid of anyone who is being belittled. According to your beliefs, there is no afterlife (and no reward for good behaviour). You are just a hairy primate living in a universe with no purpose. Your life is meaningless according to your own belief system.

I wont even go into what you said, your knowledge is too primitive, all I can say is that atheism isn't a belief, its just no holding onto any belief that there is a god, if you cannot prove there is a god, then how can an intelligent person believe in such a thing. And believing that a god somewhere in the sky just magically zapped everything into existence is just being silly, its just too childish for words.

I know some very kind and nice atheists and I know some very UNkind, mean and rude religious people. I don't think religion makes a person anything 'special,' nor does it automatically make them a nice person. It just makes them religious. I find it MOST fascinating how religious people are so quick to judge and condemn - I thought forgiveness was supposed to be their game and the judgement/condemnation was left up to God.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

But this is my point, atheist are no different, there are good and bad in all, but when one side tries to belittle the other then I will voice my opinion, religion is in no place to belittle the other, just take a look at their history, If it wasn't for those who question religion we would be still in the dark age's, why cannot religion see that ?. Keep religion to yourself, keep it out of politics and schools, as also with atheists, but then atheism isn't a belief system.

Why start with a warmongering answer instead of clarifying your point from the beginning?
I don't get that ...

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by livingkarma

Why start with a warmongering answer instead of clarifying your point from the beginning?
I don't get that ...

No warmongering here, its just your perception.

[Lynn]

Hello

I have to feel the morals and codes of valor come from a much higer place than any Religion could ever hold. It is like an unwritten law that is universal and we choose to live in the realms of what we feel is right or wrong for us. I do not feel following a path of God (for example) makes one a better or worse person or country.

How many claim in an act of violence God told me to do it....so where in that does one have a good value system or a bad value system, it was their choice to act to believe and carry something forth.

The World is more and more becoming a place of all peoples and in that all beliefs will be on display, we may not like that but we can not journey the World freely and move in most cases to where we want to live.

I would no mind a world with no Religion or a World with many Religions as long as man finally finds that path to peace.

Lynn

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Lynn

Hello

I have to feel the morals and codes of valor come from a much higer place than any Religion could ever hold. It is like an unwritten law that is universal and we choose to live in the realms of what we feel is right or wrong for us. I do not feel following a path of God (for example) makes one a better or worse person or country.

How many claim in an act of violence God told me to do it....so where in that does one have a good value system or a bad value system, it was their choice to act to believe and carry something forth.

The World is more and more becoming a place of all peoples and in that all beliefs will be on display, we may not like that but we can not journey the World freely and move in most cases to where we want to live.

I would no mind a world with no Religion or a World with many Religions as long as man finally finds that path to peace.

Lynn

I agree, and this is how it should be, without arrogance believing we have the monopoly on truth, we need to grow up and drop this backward way of thinking, and that goes for any beliefs.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

No warmongering here, its just your perception.

Nice try ...
But you were obviously snarky in your first reply w/out provocation ...

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by livingkarma

Nice try ...
But you were obviously snarky in your first reply ...

No I wasn't, you haven't seem me being snarky, you certainly haven't read anything of the OP.