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Old 25-02-2011, 01:11 AM
Triad
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gee ... if i were so psy talented that i could produce impressive and indisputable phenom at will i'd avoid publicity at all costs. i mean, look what happened to that guy who could miraculously multiply fishes and loaves of bread to feed his audience lunch.


In that respect consider someone treating the power to raise the dead as a military weapon...Soldiers that could be brought back to life.

Proving Psi is real involves and analysis of the Population..Samples simply irrelevant especially given science is based upon inductive reasoning...

The first premise of science is that reality is based upon what we can see..

Another way of saying it is that when for instance gravity is presented in science. The conclusions are derived not from something that is deduced but something that is induced and thus induced as a result of observation.

To preform a deductive investigation one would need all the information ...

as some scientist presents that the only information is what we can today (for example) observe with our eye's and technology is all that is knowable.


The biggest problem that minimalist have in relation to the events. Is in regard to Psychiatry and Psychology. During the 50's to the early 70's Behavioral modeling predominated the field....It failed miserably ..this was stuff like Pavlov's dog and Skinneran Psychology...

Today in the field of Neurology they are finding incredible things about the brains of housefly’s and we are nowhere near understanding human awareness.

There have been experiments that have been repeated over and over again
that show that even when a person can walk away, from a a really stressful situation by just saying a word...they stick with it.....animals really do not do things like that in a consistent way...but we do.

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Old 25-02-2011, 09:00 AM
sunny shine
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no one would come on a show to proove themselves fake.
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Old 25-02-2011, 03:54 PM
Serenity Bear
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As far as I understand, the test that he wants a medium to do is to get information 100 times (this is usual in a scientific test) to exactly the same accuracy in every occasion. If you dont show the same results 100 times then he calls you a fraud!

It has nothing to do with cold reading - I can spot a cold reader a mile off. Its to do with getting a link and giving the right information on every occasion for every item giving during a sitting and then repeating that 100 times.

Even the very best mediums do have off days, and even the top mediums probably have a 95 % strike rate, with the very rare no.

Plus anyone serious about mediumship would never wish to have anything to do with Randi!

This is very similar to Tv and Radio, very few want to go on TV, and be under the editors cutting knife, where they can change messages for either good or bad receptions.

I have read that Houdini was very much a sceptic but was made less when he occumpanied Sir Conan Doyle (a friend) to seances. This was also how Hanna Swaffar (a Fleet Street reporter) came to be a Spiritualist, he started of attending seances to find the frauds.
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Old 26-02-2011, 12:05 AM
Triad
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Whenever the Vatican declares a person a Saint there is a process that involves praying to the person, so that he or she will pray to God for a miracle on Earth. For the most part it involves healing someone that is under the care of a physician, or being observed by a Physician authorized by the Vatican.

These prayers are meant to a person that has died and specifically will be credited with a title should the prayers be answered. Every person that is currently afforded that title, in the current Roster of Saints, were made Saints, using this method in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_saints

Clearly this has been going on for a long time and it is well documented...Granted a doctor in the year 552 AD is a far
cry from the one who helped cannonize Pope John Paul...

The fact of the matter is this process is an effort to communicate
with the dead. And as far as the documentation is concerned, a con-
sistent one.
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Old 26-02-2011, 06:41 PM
starfish
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something relevant

http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/entry/journalists_book_randis_prize_exposes_how_skeptics _distort_evidence_for_par/


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Old 27-02-2011, 06:35 PM
dennisoc
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Washed up vegas magician runs a stacked deck scam. There will never be a "winner". Proof abounds...his band of cynics are not looking for it.

Try nailing jello to a tree.

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den
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Old 02-03-2011, 04:59 AM
Triad
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Skepticism is about being skeptical about everything, not just things you do not agree the with...It is part of critical thinking curriculum...

The very first year one is working on his or her PhD in Physics they are taught that pretty much everything that they are about to be taught is theory....it is about populations and samples...can it be proven that Gravity is the same everywhere and so Gravitational theory is absolute...absolutely not...
for that, we would have to known everything about all of reality.
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