Religious Relics in Spiritualist Churches.

[quote=Lorraine Holloway-White]

Spiritualism cannot be better than natural mediumship and yet you state they are even better for messages of survival. They aren't - there is no better than a natural medium - fact. If it's me you're 'speaking' to please quote my piece - not your version of it. The 'Quote' button is there to make it easy...
They claim to 'prove' survival in their teachings and they haven't proved that all all. Oh dear - how many times will you be wrong - there's 'evidence' of survival. If one makes a claim, they must be able to substantiate it and they can with that claim. No man can. All they are 'proving', as is any medium forced or natural, is that we are getting information from somewhere. We cannot prove where. We might know it in our hearts, but knowing it isn't proving it. If anyone had proved it, there wouldn't be so many sceptics in the world and science would have shown the evidence.

We too call them spiritualist churches here, but they are scientific churches not Christian - their words not mine. So important, wouldn't you agree, to explain what you're speaking about, the country in which you live etc? Their main name is a spiritualist church, but their beliefs are of science not a Deity - this is something they don't advertise as they don't want all to realise they don't believe in God. Here in the UK it's not your way at all....That is why they talk Father/Mother God. It is words only and not meant. Many of their followers don't even realise that fact. Those points might be developed further elsewhere....

As for you assuming I know nothing of Jesus, you are very rude. Will you PLEASE read what I asked - as Dr Phil loves to say "Take a look".... The reason I mentioned Him Oh! God's a MAN then? - and all should be allowed to anywhere they want - is because I queried why they needed certificates for healing when a natural healer. I said Jesus was the greatest healer the world has ever seen and I was almost spat at and told, 'we don't mention His name her'. We don't believe in Him. Now you're just speaking about yourself again, your own experiences..You're not discussing the subject of the thread - again.
If the spiritualist movement say they don't believe in a Deity, then I don't think individual numbers are required - do you? It is their belief as a whole. Wow you're a dismissive individual, aren't you? And again you're speaking about your own situation, your own experience - not about Spiritualist philosophy. Perhaps the US doesn't have any such thing? I certainly don't see it when I'm over there as I have been half the past seven years....
You are very much a nit picker aren't you? Why go on a forum for discussion if you can't do it unless others agree with you? And don't ever tell me I don't know what I'm talking about!! A nit-picker? You submissions here are so full of holes it's hard to avoid falling into 'em. Aren't you an author? You shouldn't have a scrap of difficulty supporting and defending everything you say, countering every single point I've raised if I've got it wrong.

"And don't ever tell me I don't know what I'm talking about!! " You can't dictate what others do in a public forum. Where I believe you're wrong, I'll say so and I'll explain why. In turn you can show where I've got it wrong. You can't simply say anything you like and expect that everyone will just accept without question - it doesn't work that way on forum boards. Or maybe you expect that's wrong, unacceptable? I don't know.

Never had your books peer-reviewed, challenged, questioned? So what's different here?

Originally Posted by Lorraine Holloway-White

and I answered why they're frowned upon or maybe you didn't understand the answer about them being scientific. That's quite correct - I didn't understand..... If a body is a scientific body, they wouldn't want anything that denotes religion in any form. Is that moire simple for you? yes but it's not applicable in the UK - I made this point before...I was giving a more in depth answer for those who aren't hard bitten spiritualists so they could understand more fully. I don't make claims without explaining how I came across the information. You are the one who was rude and asked why I dared mentioned Jesus. I answered you why. You are a good example of why many are leaving spiritualist churches.

Have you not used discussion forums before?

Is anyone who questions your answers automatically "rude" in your eyes?

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Good on ya Lorraine Holloway-White, that mac thinks he knows it all lol.

Oh my dear old psycho friend - still stirring the pot, eh?

Make mine a strong cuppa with a little sugar, would you?

I know a 'natural' medium and I know a trained medium, and funnily enough I know a trained natural medium. No difference between them as they are all as good as each other and all work the platform to bring excellent evidence of survival and have done so for years. To set yourself up as a 'Sensitive' and say that your grouping is the better deal is a bit up your own chakra isn't it? I haven't seen you work L. but I'll tell you this if you are in my area and are working I'll come and see you. I have pretty much seen the best over the last 40yrs (come January '12) and most of those were trained in closed development circles. I hope you live up to your 'billing'.


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[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by mac

Oh my dear old psycho friend - still stirring the pot, eh?

Make mine a strong cuppa with a little sugar, would you?

Now that's the mac i like to see.

"If you don't believe in God, then you won't be a natural medium."

there ya go!

Now.....wasn't this thread about religious symbols in Spiritualist churches at one time?

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Now that's the mac i like to see.

there ya go! I can't be flippant all the time, though...

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by mac

there ya go! I can't be flippant all the time, though...

Yea I suppose I can't either lol.

Originally Posted by Lorraine Holloway-White

Spiritualists are mainly not Christian. They are not a religion and call themselves scientific churches. Many of them have told me (presidents and ministers) that they only say they believe in a Deity because they have to in order to be allowed to perform legal marriages.

As for the comment above about medioums - I loved it! However, Spritualist churches are very good places for those who suddenly decide they want to become mediums as they can help certain people develop to a certain level. What they are dreadful for is anyone who was born a natural medium or healer (sensitive) as their teachings are completely wrong for natural mediumship development, the natural ability often goes completely unrecognised and they will insist that you attend awareness for years and then development for years. They will not allow you to work unless you have certificates (as if they prove anything!) and you will be thrown back years. I know, because they did it with me. Once I left their open circles (dreadful energies due to all and sundry allowed in them) my mediumship soared.
Basically, they are not a religion, most have no belief in God and cringe if you use the word Jesus. They are not for natural mediumship and are basically only suitable for those wanting to learn to do something. Hope that answers a bit?

I do agree with you that natural mediumship powers should left to develope as they come.
Mine all of a sudden seem to be developing pretty quickly but I do think for the sake of safety,we need help sometimes to keep those powers under control.

Originally Posted by mac

I find no problems with that principle.

Christian Spiritualist churches are those most likely to display symbols found in Christian churches. I don't attend them so I don't know if they display symbols found in churches of other denominations.

Perhaps there are some Christian Spiritualist members who can help with that point?

As in any other church, any other denomination, one is surely reasonable to support the church where one feels most comfortable?

All that is displayed in the church I visit occasionally is a small cross.