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28-10-2014, 09:20 PM
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Programming the mind to have OBE
Hi,
Would it be possible to program our subcounscious when we go to be so that we are automatically awaken in the vibrational stage ?
I already experienced this but very randomly. I would be sleeping and at some point I would wake up because of the vibrations.
Unfortunately it happened maybe two or three times at most.
I wonder if we could program our subcounscious so that it wake us up directly being in that stage ?
It would be so great, we wouldnt have to struggle that much to AP, we would just have to go to sleep and wait to be awoken !
Any thoughts about this ?
Thanks
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28-10-2014, 10:19 PM
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Intentions are very powerful, but by no means immediate or automatic responses, especially without prolonged and intensive direction.
Possible? Ofcourse.
Likely? Often only, If actioned mostly by real unrelenting dedication to the cause.
Its never wether it can happen, only wether you are in it enough to realise its happenings.
Try and see
Loopy
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28-10-2014, 11:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral Seeker
Hi,
Would it be possible to program our subcounscious when we go to be so that we are automatically awaken in the vibrational stage ?
I already experienced this but very randomly. I would be sleeping and at some point I would wake up because of the vibrations.
Unfortunately it happened maybe two or three times at most.
I wonder if we could program our subcounscious so that it wake us up directly being in that stage ?
It would be so great, we wouldnt have to struggle that much to AP, we would just have to go to sleep and wait to be awoken !
Any thoughts about this ?
Thanks
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Well first off something worth noting is that vibrational stage is not necessary for astral projection, it's a symptom/side-effect that only something some people experience sometimes during the process. It usually happens a lot more in the beginning for new projectors but over time becomes something that happens less frequently. This is why I always emphasize to people getting into astral projection that aiming for vibrational stage is counterproductive, the goal should always be a shift in consciousness since vibrational stage is just a symptom and/or side-effect of the processes which occur when our consciousness shifts from one body and dimension into another.
People who naturally wake up often while sleeping are going to be prone to having more lucid dreams and projections than those who do not, at least through sleeping that is. Personally I am one of those people and through experience I have learned to identify sights, sounds, feelings, and so forth to signal to me that I am either near that shift in consciousness or it has already occurred. So in a way I have trained myself to become aware when I am lucid dreaming or astral projecting, just not for vibrations alone. And since I wake up a half a dozen to a dozen or so times every night I also increase the amount of possible lucid dreams and projections that I can have every night. The key is once I wake up I do not move at all and just lay there still until I start drifting off back to sleep. If prior to waking up I was in a lucid dream or projection I will usually be able to shift my consciousness back into that dimension and body and continue relatively close to where the last lucid dream and projection left off, this alone multiplies my lucid dreams and projections nightly usually from a couple all the way up to a dozen or two. I have had back to back lucid dreams and projections up to and around 10 at a time. Even if I wasn't in a lucid dream or projection prior to waking up a good percentage of the time laying completely still will allow me to trigger a new projection. This all happens so often primarily because I listen to a binaural beat every night I sleep, the binaural beat really helps me get to sleep quickly and it also triggers literally hundreds of lucid dreams and projections every month.
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29-10-2014, 07:57 PM
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Thanks Loopy, it is worth a try IMO
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Originally Posted by Astral Explorer
Well first off something worth noting is that vibrational stage is not necessary for astral projection, it's a symptom/side-effect that only something some people experience sometimes during the process. It usually happens a lot more in the beginning for new projectors but over time becomes something that happens less frequently. This is why I always emphasize to people getting into astral projection that aiming for vibrational stage is counterproductive, the goal should always be a shift in consciousness since vibrational stage is just a symptom and/or side-effect of the processes which occur when our consciousness shifts from one body and dimension into another.
People who naturally wake up often while sleeping are going to be prone to having more lucid dreams and projections than those who do not, at least through sleeping that is. Personally I am one of those people and through experience I have learned to identify sights, sounds, feelings, and so forth to signal to me that I am either near that shift in consciousness or it has already occurred. So in a way I have trained myself to become aware when I am lucid dreaming or astral projecting, just not for vibrations alone. And since I wake up a half a dozen to a dozen or so times every night I also increase the amount of possible lucid dreams and projections that I can have every night. The key is once I wake up I do not move at all and just lay there still until I start drifting off back to sleep. If prior to waking up I was in a lucid dream or projection I will usually be able to shift my consciousness back into that dimension and body and continue relatively close to where the last lucid dream and projection left off, this alone multiplies my lucid dreams and projections nightly usually from a couple all the way up to a dozen or two. I have had back to back lucid dreams and projections up to and around 10 at a time. Even if I wasn't in a lucid dream or projection prior to waking up a good percentage of the time laying completely still will allow me to trigger a new projection. This all happens so often primarily because I listen to a binaural beat every night I sleep, the binaural beat really helps me get to sleep quickly and it also triggers literally hundreds of lucid dreams and projections every month.
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I know that vibes are not mandatory to AP, but for a beginners they are quite convenient sign posts since they allow one to know where he is standing at in the whole process.
AP from a meditative state is without a doubt what is the toughest to accomplish, hence my idea to shortcut and find ourselves directly in that vibrational stage.
I'm not working on vibrations alone. I'm working on various avenues to achieve my goal to be lucidly aware in the astral realms, no matter if we're talking about LD or AP. But working as well on that part of AP (being able to wake ourselves directly vibrating so that we can directly exit) is an idea.
I already did it, but randomly and without expecting it, so I saw how effective it can be to regain awareness at that moment.
What you say is what is called WILD or DEILD in the world of LD. Waking up without moving and switching to the non physical from there. I'm also working on it.
However, directly waking up vibrating is a step beyond because you are already at the entrance of the gate and you just have to push the door to open it.
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30-10-2014, 03:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral Seeker
Thanks Loopy, it is worth a try IMO
I know that vibes are not mandatory to AP, but for a beginners they are quite convenient sign posts since they allow one to know where he is standing at in the whole process.
AP from a meditative state is without a doubt what is the toughest to accomplish, hence my idea to shortcut and find ourselves directly in that vibrational stage.
I'm not working on vibrations alone. I'm working on various avenues to achieve my goal to be lucidly aware in the astral realms, no matter if we're talking about LD or AP. But working as well on that part of AP (being able to wake ourselves directly vibrating so that we can directly exit) is an idea.
I already did it, but randomly and without expecting it, so I saw how effective it can be to regain awareness at that moment.
What you say is what is called WILD or DEILD in the world of LD. Waking up without moving and switching to the non physical from there. I'm also working on it.
However, directly waking up vibrating is a step beyond because you are already at the entrance of the gate and you just have to push the door to open it.
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I have had thousands of projections in every process and type you can imagine and the only difference between coming to consciousness during vibrations and what I do is that you would always experience vibrations in one of them which is just a side-effect, as far as where the projection begins and/or takes you there is absolutely no difference. Waking up and not moving until a projection begins is the exact same thing as waking up in vibrations really minus the vibrations in some instances, it takes you into the exact same bodies and dimensions as the other would. But instead of just waking up during vibrations which only technically happen a percentage of the time in conscious projection attempts I have trained myself to project almost any time I wake up as well as how to identify all of the symptoms and side-effects I experience prior to a projection beginning or after it already has began, which increases the amount of potential conscious projections I can have per night. There are several problems with training yourself to wake up during the vibrations...
One of them is that there is no guarantee you are going to experience vibrations when your consciousness shifts, especially when it comes to projecting through sleeping. Vibrations are a lot more common through meditation because it's a lot more difficult for a person to get into a deep state of relaxation through meditation, through sleeping that isn't the case and so vibrations are much less common in conscious projections through that method. Training yourself to wake up in a dream is one thing, but training yourself to wake up while the totally natural processes that occur as you sleep and shift into another body happen is going to be a tough nut to crack because it is so natural and can happen so quickly. It could literally be under a second for your consciousness to shift from one body and dimension into another completely symptom and/or side-effect free and so I just don't see someone training themselves to wake up in that regard.
The biggest issue is that if you weren't awake you wouldn't be experiencing the vibrations at all and so training yourself to wake up during vibrations wouldn't be very productive because unless you were awake there wouldn't be any vibrations. When a person wakes up to vibrations it's not the vibrations that wake them up, they naturally wake up for one reason or another and then the vibrations begin. It might not seem that way because we don't always wake up in a split second and instantly enter a conscious state of thought and awareness, sometimes we are awake and aren't consciously aware of it for several moments. During those moments is when those vibrations begin and that is often what makes a person aware they are awake and experiencing vibrations. And so with all of that said instead of trying to train one's self to wake up during vibrations I highly suggest training to project through your natural sleeping cycles, learning all of the signs, symptoms, and side-effects you experience prior to and after a projection or dream begins, and when you wake up remain completely still which will always give you a fair shot at projecting. Also sleeping with a Binaural beat playing on an endless loop will also increase projection frequency through natural sleeping cycles, at least it did for me. Whatever you do choose to do good luck though.
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30-10-2014, 07:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral Seeker
Hi,
Would it be possible to program our subcounscious when we go to be so that we are automatically awaken in the vibrational stage ?
I already experienced this but very randomly. I would be sleeping and at some point I would wake up because of the vibrations.
Unfortunately it happened maybe two or three times at most.
I wonder if we could program our subcounscious so that it wake us up directly being in that stage ?
It would be so great, we wouldnt have to struggle that much to AP, we would just have to go to sleep and wait to be awoken !
Any thoughts about this ?
Thanks
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I have dreams sometimes where I am lying in bed and can't get up (sleep paralyses). I have programmed myself to recognize this and do AP. It works but the sleep paralyses only happens randomly and I have no control over that part at this point.
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I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
I have become comfortably numb.". - Pink Floyd
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30-10-2014, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Back Seat
I have dreams sometimes where I am lying in bed and can't get up (sleep paralyses). I have programmed myself to recognize this and do AP. It works but the sleep paralyses only happens randomly and I have no control over that part at this point.
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I suggest learning how to make yourself float and/or fly. Using what I call mental thought action where you use your mind to focus on an action you can make the body you're in float up over the bed even though you're paralyzed. Then what I suggest doing is once you are a couple feet above the bed make your body pivot forward in the air using mental thought action so that you're standing upright in the air with the bottom of your feet facing down toward the floor. Then you can either make yourself float down onto the ground or just let yourself drop to the ground and you will be standing on your feet and the paralysis will be gone. Every time I have done this when I'm experiencing paralysis, energetic magnetism, or almost any other effect that prevents me from moving it has worked amazingly and I gain complete control of the body I am in and the experience. If you physically fight and try to beat the paralysis and/or energetic magnetism through movement you will likely accidently end the projection, but through using the mental thought action ability that is much less likely to happen.
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30-10-2014, 08:03 PM
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@Black Seat
Interesting experiences, thanks for sharing
How long did it take you to program your mind in such a way ?
What is your rate of success using that method ? Let's say that you wanna wake up in such a state ? How often would you be successful out of 10 attempts ? (just for me to have an idea roughly).
@ Astral Explorer
I know you are a very skilled APer and I respect you for that.
I'm going to put letters to each of my points below so that it will be easier for you to respond to them :
a) The difference between waking up and not moving and waking while vibrating is quite important to me. I've woken up numerous time but right after that close window that could allow me to AP. For instance I'm waking up too fast, I move too much, I open my eyes etc and therefore I'm too awake to directly AP. That is the reason why I thought about waking up already vibrating, so that I'm already 'in the zone'.
b) Can you elaborate about how you did set up your method allowing you to
"identify all of the symptoms and side-effects I experience prior to a projection beginning or after it already has began" ?
c) Another thing is that I will not necessarily experience vibrations when being on the theshold between sleeping and waking state. I know that vibrations are not mandatory to AP but regarding all my projections which occured randomly during the night as soon as I woke up, I always found myself vibrating. So, which others effects should I expect others than vibrations ?
d) I understand that first I wake up and then I have vibrations and not the contrary. Thanks for correcting my thoughts. So one question : can't I train myself to wake up just prior switching bodies ? Is that what you do ? Waking up just before any projection signposts no matter they are vibrations or others and then exit ?
e) I'm trying to train myself for a couple of weeks to wake up each night naturally (ie without an alarm clock) which is in a nutshell what you recommend me to do.
I tell myself "I'm gonna wake up at the end of each dream, without moving/opening the eyes". It is starting to work but mainly just for the 1st awakening, usually 3 hours after I fall asleep. So, if I'm going to bed at midnight I will naturally wake up usually toward 3am, 3:15am, 3:30am at most.
My issue is that when I fall back asleep still wishing to keep on waking up after the subsequent dreams, I fail. When I wake up it's already 7am and therefore the whole night has elapsed without me being able to try to project upon the various micro awakenings.
How can I fix that issue ?
Thanks a lot :)
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30-10-2014, 08:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral Seeker
@Black Seat
Interesting experiences, thanks for sharing
How long did it take you to program your mind in such a way ?
What is your rate of success using that method ? Let's say that you wanna wake up in such a state ? How often would you be successful out of 10 attempts ? (just for me to have an idea roughly).
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This is something I just started. I have had the sleep paralysis a few times the past year with out doing AP. I started researching a lot on AP and tried various techniques. The last time I had sleep paralysis (month or two ago), I immediately thought about AP and easily fell out of my body and floated out of my room.
I have only been able to do it while in a semi aware dream. I have tried it in between sleep and have been able to partially separate but not completely. I also tried doing it during meditation with no success either. What I have noticed, is if your body isn't fully asleep, it won't work. Even if your body is slightly awake, it won't work.
My suggestion is keep thinking about and researching it. Try to catch yourself in between sleep cycles and try AP even though it may not work. When you are in between sleep cycles, try to imagine a free falling feeling (if your body isn't asleep enough, it will feel like a slight separation). The trick is to have your mind awake and your body completely asleep. Try to recall dreams and work with third eye so your dreams become more vivid and lucid. I started gettin sleep paralysis after doing third eye work
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I caught a fleeting glimpse
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I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
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The dream is gone
I have become comfortably numb.". - Pink Floyd
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31-10-2014, 01:45 AM
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A. Understood. One of the most important things for APing through waking up is not moving. Under certain circumstances you can move a bit more than other circumstances, but there's no real way to know that until it either works or doesn't work unfortunately. There have been times for instance that my hand was on my chest and was falling asleep so I slowly and carefully moved it so my arm was facing straight down parallel with my body and that movement alone caused me not to be able to project, but then there have been other times where no matter how much I move anything short of getting up out of bed makes absolutely no difference and a projection is almost inevitable. Unfortunately the first outcome is a lot more common than the latter of the two. One of the most difficult parts of training yourself to AP when you wake up is training yourself not to move while in a state of being half asleep and half awake as you are when you first wake up, but with work it can be done. And once that is done you can literally produce dozens of projections on a good night. Especially since even after one lucid dream or projection ends if you do not move you can get teleported right back to where the last one left off and so you can chain projections quite easily through the same non-movement.
B. This is just something that happens through trial and error, through having a lot of projection experiences. Even with in a projection I have learned how to identify if I move a certain part of that body or commit to a certain action will it accidently cause my projection to end, for instance in one case I could feel spit in my throat but I could tell that if I swallowed that spit it would accidently end the projection and so I put it off for a good 5-10 minutes before eventually swallowing and of course ending the projection. To first identify what signs, symptoms, and side-effects you will experience prior to and after a projection begins you must first experience them naturally through projections, this is why I suggest training yourself to project after you wake up. Because it is the easiest way I have found to project and the most productive, which will give you the experience you need to be able to do all of the other things I have mentioned.
C. It's tough to say because they can be very unique for each individual of course other than the vibrations which is why they are so often emphasized and mentioned. For me it's mostly the different feelings and actions in these dimensions that we can experience, floating, manifesting, seeing or hearing something that I couldn't see in the physical dimension, and so forth. But to be honest most of those are just triggers for lucid dreaming once you become as familiar with the feelings of projecting as I have you rarely pay any attention to them, you get a sort of sixth sense that tells you when you're going into and in a different body and dimension and when you're not. I can tell when I'm going to project even before the stereotypical vibrations would ever kick in, the biggest thing for me though that lets me know I am in a projection is that shift in consciousness. The shifting of my consciousness from one body and dimension into another is how I always know that a projection has began even if I'm unable to see or hear anything in the beginning. Sometimes movement as well, since my physical body is not moving and I can feel myself traveling or moving it's a dead giveaway. When you are projecting into bodies like I do there's no way of knowing where the projection will begin, so sometimes when you gain your senses you find out you're sitting in a car, or laying on a beach, or sitting in a movie theatre, or whatever else. That change in scenery also is a sign as well because I know that my physical body is still motionless lying in some bed in another dimension.
D. In a way that is what I do. But I haven't trained myself to wake up, I have trained myself to project after I wake up by not moving and simply by listening to a Binaural beat. Without that Binaural beat I am sure my productivity would decline possibly greatly. I wake up naturally and since I have trained myself to even in a subconscious state not move everything else just falls into place and I just go with the flow so to speak.
E. That is the difficult part, if you were one of those people who naturally wake up a lot as I do it would be a little different. Personally when I first fall asleep I will sleep for anywhere from 1-3 hours and then wake up, but then as the night goes on I wake up more and more until by the end of my sleeping I am waking up every half an hour to an hour or so. All in all I probably wake up 5-10 times a night which obviously increases the opportunities I have to project. I know it sounds ridiculous but you could do something so that you're not so comfortable which would cause you to sleep less deeply and wake up more often, which would be conducive to more projection opportunities. I suggest giving Binaural beats a try there is no guarantee they will cause you to wake up more often in fact they may do the opposite and cause you to sleep longer and wake up less often, but it's certainly worth a shot in my opinion.
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