MIND+ONENESS

[Moondance]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Oneness, being everywhere, never changes, never moves. Thus it is still. Within the stillness there is movement and within the movement there is stillness.

Or we could substitute form for movement and formlessness for stillness. So within form there is formlessness and within formlessness there is form.

As you say, it is all here right now.

Peace.

Yes, we could rationalise that no matter how Reality appears it is always Reality - Reality is the only constant. But the nature of Reality is ceaseless change and flux.

[Moondance]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Hi Moondance,

Here we go again:)

Yes resonance with All is One has to occur to end the search (and maybe some consolidation).

What is the most helpful response to seekers to bring that about? To be clear that seekers are already in the state they seek (The Direct Approach) including not realizing, may work. That at least avoids placing further burdens and places the seeker in the position most likely to bring about a fast resonance. We know it works for some so worth a try:)

If they are a character for which the direct approach does not work, there are paths and practises they can explore and see if that works.

I hear what you are saying and don’t disagree. The insight that they are ‘already in the state they seek’, realisation or no realisation is 100% valid. But that very insight IS the dawning of realisation.

So ontologically speaking, the seeker is 'already in the state they seek'. Yet psychologically this needs to be recognised/realised. Paradoxically, by pointing out the ontological situation, the conscious/psychological realisation may dawn.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Iamit

You have no idea who I am. We are done, Be well and good luck.

Indeed, I have no idea who you are. I can only go by the words you post, which strongly suggest that your knowledge of Oneness is based only on intellectual understanding, which is itself limited.

Peace.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Indeed, I have no idea who you are. I can only go by the words you post, which strongly suggest that your knowledge of Oneness is based only on intellectual understanding, which is itself limited.

Peace.

The ideas expressed in the words stand by themselves and either resonate or not. To make assumptions about the quality of the exxperience of those expressing them when one has no idea who those persons are, and cannot possibly know that, ends reasonable discussion.

One could ask the other for a description of their experience if there was any genuine interest in thet, rather than speculate negatively about it which has more to do with some aggresive contest about points of view. No interest in that so hence we are done.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Moondance

I hear what you are saying and don’t disagree. The insight that they are ‘already in the state they seek’, realisation or no realisation is 100% valid. But that very insight IS the dawning of realisation.

So ontologically speaking, the seeker is 'already in the state they seek'. Yet psychologically this needs to be recognised/realised. Paradoxically, by pointing out the ontological situation, the conscious/psychological realisation may dawn.

Absolutely, yes.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Did that experience end the search?

The situation may have started as ‘the seeker seeking the sought’, but then - at one point the whole thing turned upside down and inside out and now - that which was sought had found the seeker.

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[Iamit]

Originally Posted by sentient

The situation may have started as ‘the seeker seeking the sought’, but then - at one point the whole thing turned upside down and inside out and now - that which was sought had found the seeker.

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Pleased to hear that and long may it continue. In my experience it does.

[sentient]

Then again as they say in some Buddhist teachings – intellectual understanding is not enough, one needs an experience of those concepts for the realization of them to dawn.
But realization is not enough – one needs to put the insights gained through realizations into practice for them to become the wisdom one then embodies.

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[Iamit]

Originally Posted by sentient

Then again as they say in some Buddhist teachings – intellectual understanding is not enough, one needs an experience of those concepts for the realization of them to dawn.
But realization is not enough – one needs to put the insights gained through realizations into practice for them to become the wisdom one then embodies.

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That may work for Buddhists who define what is sought in that way. Characters vary and one size does not fit all.

Seekers define what is sought differently, the achievement of which is enough for each. For some the end of feeling disconnected is profound, all behaviour is Oneness manifest, so no one act is more or less Oneness than any other and therefore no requirement to put anything into practise, Whatever manifests is regarded as completely Oneness, so for some there are, never have been, and never will be any separate persons who have done anything and never will, because all is Oneness happening by and to 'itself'.

[Shivani Devi]

The notion that "mind is Oneness", or "I am Oneness" or 'Everything is Oneness" is still a notion - a concept OF the mind which then becomes limited BY the mind through cognitive dissonance.