Fear and Guilt

Jared.L · #1 06-10-2016, 10:00 AM

Both seem to be useful tools when it comes to, among other things, recruiting and maintaining christianity. Seems that when (many) church leaders use guilt (god died for YOUR sins) and fear (repent or you'll MISS heaven) relatively effectively, they are more successful.

Is it human nature to respond to fear and guilt, or is there something else going on here?

Would using love and acceptance yield more positive results?
Thoughts?

Within Silence · #2 06-10-2016, 05:50 PM

If I accept that God died for my sins then I cannot be guilty, if I am still guilty then God is a liar; which is it? Salvation is a free gift with an eternal price tag for its rejection, which means its not a free gift. Which is it?

The bible says; "You reap what you sow" it does not say Jesus reaps what you sow, which is it?

When one sees through the concept of an eternal hell, then along with this goes away the need of a savior, for what is one being saved from when hell doesn't exist in the first place? Those who believe in an eternal hell simply have yet to see through it.

If God had to send a savior for his creation in which, in his image and likeness he created them, then what does that say about the creators attributes? Now if I created God in my image then I would be guilty of giving him my attributes, yet He created me, thus how could I be guilty as I didn't create myself.

If I was given free will then I cannot be guilty for using it, other wise its not free will but limited will, or conditional will. In other words, if I tell my children they are free to go wherever they like, but they can't go to this or that place, then they are not free but limited, free within the conditions I set forth, which is not freedom but control.

Any child that is taught to fear their Father, their Father should be examined by a psychologist, as no child should fear their parent, let alone their creator.

Jared.L · #3 07-10-2016, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Within Silence

If I accept that God died for my sins then I cannot be guilty, if I am still guilty then God is a liar; which is it? Salvation is a free gift with an eternal price tag for its rejection, which means its not a free gift. Which is it?

The bible says; "You reap what you sow" it does not say Jesus reaps what you sow, which is it?

When one sees through the concept of an eternal hell, then along with this goes away the need of a savior, for what is one being saved from when hell doesn't exist in the first place? Those who believe in an eternal hell simply have yet to see through it.

If God had to send a savior for his creation in which, in his image and likeness he created them, then what does that say about the creators attributes? Now if I created God in my image then I would be guilty of giving him my attributes, yet He created me, thus how could I be guilty as I didn't create myself.

If I was given free will then I cannot be guilty for using it, other wise its not free will but limited will, or conditional will. In other words, if I tell my children they are free to go wherever they like, but they can't go to this or that place, then they are not free but limited, free within the conditions I set forth, which is not freedom but control.

Any child that is taught to fear their Father, their Father should be examined by a psychologist, as no child should fear their parent, let alone their creator.

Exactly! Why does church impose so much fear and guilt on people? Just because it is easier to control them that way.

Miss Hepburn · #4 07-10-2016, 01:28 PM

Different people are effected by different things...some people
need a brick to fall on their head.

Others the fragrance of a rose.

Whatever may wake them up to stop bad behavior,
and thus, be happier human beings, works for me.
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Within Silence · #5 08-10-2016, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Different people are effected by different things...some people
need a brick to fall on their head.

Others the fragrance of a rose.

Whatever may wake them up to stop bad behavior,
and thus, be happier human beings, works for me.
.
.
.

Yes:
extreme minds need extreme measures,
some are light sleepers and require only a gentle touch,
some are heavy sleepers and require a radical shaking,
you cannot reach the complex with the simple,
nor the simple with the complex,
yet the paradoxical complex simplicities of unconditional love
opens all hearts and be-still's all minds.