The Bloody Bible

[Jared.L]

Originally Posted by kjw47

Your thinking is twisted. God didn't want this system, the 3 rebels in Eden forced it on him. And all through mankinds history 99% have served satan, sin= worship to satan. They don't even know it. God could wipe every one of them out in an instant, but instead hopes they will repent.

Hm.....if the God is almighty and allknowing how could he have created something that is not working as he expected and worship Satan (who created Satan, btw?). Why does he HOPE? He can do anything. He can make anything happen. Why torture his creation? (If he is not a sadist of course)

[Jared.L]

Originally Posted by morpheus

Pretty interesting that people like Jared here fail to note the bloody history, and present behavior, of his fellow humans. As can be read in the news any day of the week.

First the former archangel rebelled and fell.
Like a rock...
Then? Tempted mankind who fell, resulting in the world we observe today.
.

The creation is just as the creator - defective.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Jared.L

The Bloodthirsty Vampire

The Bible reveals an important, yet often overlooked trait of God's nature and that is his thirst for blood. From the beginning of his dealings with man he has shown his preference for spilled blood; he accepted Able's offering of sheep's blood and rejected Cain's offering of grains and plants (Genesis 4:3-5). God has told man that the shedding of blood is required to be forgiven of sins (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22). In the Old Testament, millions of animals were slaughtered and their blood poured onto altars and burned in a futile attempt to please God. The smoke from the burning flesh and blood was such a sweet scent to God (Exodus 29:18, Leviticus 1:9), that his anger was appeased when he smelled the sweet, burning blood (Genesis 8:21) Even the human/god sacrifice of Jesus is compared to the sweet smelling barbecue of an animal (Epehsians 5:2). Why is blood so sweet to this vampiric God? Why is blood required to be spilled in order to receive forgiveness from this "merciful" God? Don't ask these questions, "just believe," you will be told. Besides why risk ending up in an eternal barbecue just because things smell a little strange to you?

Bloodshed in The Bible

Knowing God's fondness of blood, it isn't surprising to find out that his "word;" the Holy Bible, is filled with bloodshed. When we read the Bible, we get to see a first-hand glimpse of God's true nature...and a very bloody nature it is indeed. The Bible tells us that God commanded: "Thou shalt not kill," yet King Saul lost his throne because he didn't kill everything God had commanded him to (1 Samuel 15:3, 9-11).

Sacrifice - The Ultimate Sin

"Sacrifice"...a word often heard coming from pulpits as preachers attempt to bleed dry the pockets of their congregations. Put simply, sacrifice is merely giving up something of one value for something of lesser value. The word "sacrifice" is synonymous with the word "injustice," because when something of value is traded for something of a truly lesser value, an injustice has occurred. In accordance with the twisted morality of the Bible, it isn't surprising that sacrifice is considered a virtue rather than the sin which it really is.
One of the greatest examples of God's true nature is reflected in the fact that he not only accepts sacrifices, but he demands them. God has demanded that blood be spilled in order for him to extend his mercy (Leviticus 17:11). Thousands of years ago, God was willing to accept the spilled blood of animals in exchange for his forgiveness, but even the deaths of billions of animals didn't provide enough blood to satiate his hunger. The Bible tells us that humans were to be killed as an offering to this bloodthirsty God (Leviticus 27:29) even though modern believers deny that God accepted human sacrifice, that's exactly what these executions were. Even that human blood wasn't sufficient to permit God's "grace" to cover the sins of man so a half human/half God (Jesus) had to be killed. Now we have the ultimate injustice...spill the blood of the most valued in exchange for the least worthy. And somehow this injustice (sacrifice) is so "perfect" that God is able to extend his "perfect mercy" without offending justice. If you're confused, you must not have a Christian background because this is exactly what the fundamental view of salvation amounts to. "Washed in the blood of the lamb," as they sing in church. What a disgusting image that paints.
More examples concerning blood sacrifices to God in the Bible:
• Cain offers the fruit of the ground to God while Able sacrifices the firstborn of his flocks. God respects the blood sacrifice but not the offering of plants. - Genesis 4:2-8
• Noah brings seven of each "clean" animal onto the ark and two of each of the "unclean" animals so that he will have plenty of "acceptable" animals to sacrifice to God. The first thing Noah does after getting off the ark is kill some of the animals that he had saved for God. The smell of burning meat softens God's heart and he promises not to flood the earth like that again. - Genesis 7:2-3, 8:19-21
• God demands that all the men of his "chosen race" mutilate their penis and spill their own blood as a form of mini-sacrifice to show their loyalty . - Genesis 17:11
• God commands Abraham to kill his son as a human sacrifice, but changes his mind at the last minute. - Genesis 22:1-2
• God sends Jephthah's daughter out to him as a sign that he is to kill her and offer her as a human sacrifice. God doesn't change his mind on this one. A possible reflection of the ancient Hebrew value of women versus their value of men. - Judges 11:30-39
• God goes to great lengths to describe exactly how animals are to be slaughtered, prepared, and roasted so that they will be pleasing to the Lord. Why he couldn't have dedicated that space in the Bible to something useful, like a cure for cancer or a way to improve infant mortality rates tells us alot about God's real agenda. - Leviticus Chapters 1 through 10
• Anytime innocent men, women or children are killed because of God's anger, it must be considered to have been a human sacrifice. God accepts these "sacrifices" with glee, often killing the innocent along with the guilty. The number of instances where this happens in the Bible are staggering. - Genesis 7:21-23, 19:25, Exodus 11:5, Numbers 11:1, 15:36, 16:22, Deuteronomy 20:16, Joshua 6:21, etc. etc. etc.
• After capturing all the Midianite women and children, God commands Moses to kill the women and the male children and to "keep the virgin girls alive for yourselves." Moses then proceeds to offer 32 of the 32,000 virgin girls to God as a "tribute." We know from Leviticus 27:29 that these 32 girls would not be allowed to stay alive but were offered as a heave offering (burnt on the sacrificial altar) to the Lord. - Numbers 31:17-18,40-41
• To appease God's wrath, King David had 7 sons of the dead King Saul crucified. The mother of two of these men sat in front of their bodies as they rotted in the sun for weeks. She is commended for sitting there and driving off the wild animals and vultures that tried to eat her dead sons carcasses. To make things better, King David takes their bodies and has them buried in the royal cemetery. I bet she felt a lot better after that act of generosity. When the 7 men are offered as a sacrifice, God removes the curse he had put on the land. Who says God can't be bribed? - 2 Samuel 21:1-10
• One of God's prophets declares that "this is is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates." A clear reference to the fact that the slaughter of humans was considered a sacrificial offering to God. - Jeremiah 46:10
• God says that rather than punish his wayward people by killing them like he would do in earlier times, he let them become idolatrous so that they would sacrifice their firstborn children on fiery altars. The reason God gives for causing this horror is so "that they might know that I am the Lord." - Ezekiel 20:21,24-26

Thou Shalt Not Kill...Unless I Tell You To

One of the great paradoxes of the Bible is the fact that God gave man the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" then turned around and ordered the slaughter of countless animals and human beings. He also claimed that anything which killed a man would be killed by man (Genesis 9:6), unless, that is, God wanted them to kill man, then they could get away with it. God's morality is based on the changing whim of God alone. Don't even try to figure it out!
Biblical examples of God ordering man to kill his fellow man or condoning the killing of humans:
• During a battle with a rival group, God lets the Israelites kill more of the enemy when Moses holds his magic staff of God in the air. When Moses lets his hand fall down, the enemy prevails in battle. The Israelites weaken, but don't destroy the enemy. God promises that one day he will get his revenge and destroy them entirely. - Exodus 17:8-14
• When Moses comes off the Mount with the Ten Commandments and sees the people worshipping a golden calf, God commands him to take his loyal followers and have them "slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." Three thousand people end up dying in the slaughter. -Exodus 32:26-28
• God promises his chosen people that if they obey him they will overpower their enemies and kill them with the sword. He goes on to say that 100 Israelites will scare away 10,000 of the enemy. - Leviticus 26:7-8
• God commands Moses to have the people kill a man who picked up sticks on the Lord's "Holy" day. They stone him to death. - Numbers 15:32-36
• God's people make a vow that if God delivers the people of Canaan to them, they will kill all the Canaanites and destroy their cities. God gladly obliges and they name the ruins "Hormah" which means "annihilation." - Numbers 21:2-3
• When some of the Israelite men began to become friendly with the women who lived in the cities they invaded, God commanded Moses to kill them and hang their heads up to dry in the sun so "that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from you." While this is going on, Aaron's grandson saw an Israelite man trying to sneak one of the women into his tent. He reacts by driving a spear through the stomachs of both of them simultaneously. God was so pleased by the zealousness of this act, that he ended a plague which he had sent to kill the Israelites in his jealousy. Only 24,000 Israelites had died of the plague by that time. - Numbers 25:4-13
• Another king tries to stop the Israelites from invading his land. The Bible tells us that the reason this king was obstinate was because God hardened his heart so that the Israelites could prove God's power. In their words, "And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." - Deuteronomy 2:30-34
• Once David becomes king, the Amalekites invade his kingdom. Unlike the bloody conquests of the Israelites, the "heathen" Amalekites burn the captured city but they don't kill anyone, "great or small." David pursues them and slays the Amalekites while they are camping. None of the captured Israelites had been harmed by the Amalekites, in contrast to the bloodbath the Israelites had been conducting against the Amalekites. The true morality of the godly versus the ungodly is revealed once more. - 1 Samuel 30:1-19
• The old kings had allowed for people to worship another God (Baal), so the new king came up with a plan to bring them all together so he could kill them all at once. He called for them all to come to the temple because, "I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal and any who do not show up will be put to death." Once he gathered all the Baal worshippers of the kingdom into the temple, he had his soldiers kill them. - 2 Kings 10:18-25

Inhumanity

The Bible is full of atrocities which are committed against man and beast in the name of God. The cruel manner by which God's chosen people execute his wrath reflects the nature of a truly sadistic God.
• When God sends the Israelites to invade the lands of Canaan he tells them that he will drive out the people with fear and that he will send hornets to drive them out so they can inherit the land. Of course a little later, God denies saying that he would drive them out (Judges 2:3). - Exodus 23:27-30
• The Bible condones slavery as being okay. It even goes so far as to say that you can beat a slave to death as long as he doesn't die right away. That way, the murderer loses money by having to take care of the dying slave and afterall "it's his money that he's losing." - Exodus 21:20-21
• God gives people painful and debilitating diseases such as leprosy or hemorrhoids in order to punish them. When Moses sister-in-law criticizes him, God gives her leprosy. When the Philistines take the Ark of the Covenant, God gives them hemorrhoids. - Numbers 21:1-10, 1 Samuel 5:6-9, 2 Kings 5:27, 15:3-5
• The method of execution used by God's people was nearly always excruciatingly cruel. For instance, when a man took a garment, some silver and a piece of gold from a city that had been destroyed, Joshua had the man, his sons, daughters, oxen, asses and sheep all stoned with stones and then burned with fire. - Joshua 7:24-25
• God tells Joshua that when the horses of the enemy are captured, they are to cut the hamstrings of the horses. David pulls a similar stunt with horses that he captures. Where's the ASPCA when you need them? - Joshua 11:6,9, 2 Samuel 8:4
• Judah captures a king and has his thumbs and big toes cut off. The king doesn't seem to mind though because he claimed to have done the same thing to 70 kings himself and now God has paid him back. They take him to Jerusalem and he dies, probably from slowly bleeding to death. - Judges 1:7-8
• Gideon's army passes through an Israelite city and demands that the elders of the city provide them with food. The elders ask Gideon, "How do we know that you are actually on a mission from God? Later, Gideon teaches these elders some respect with thorns and briers from the wilderness. - Judges 8:4-16
• The Bible says that Jesus taught that if your right eye offends you, you should pluck it out. It also describes Samson, one of God's bloodiest heroes, getting his eyes gouged out. - Judges 16:21
• After a man sends his concubine out into the hands of a mob, they rape her until she dies, the man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and ships the pieces across the land for people to see the horror that has been done by the mob. - Judges 19:22-29
• To scare the people into obeying him, King Saul cuts some oxen into pieces and sends the bloody pieces across the land, telling the people that whoever doesn't obey will have the same thing done to their oxen. - 1 Samuel 11:7
• During the victory celebrations, women sing and dance, heartlessly bragging that King Saul has killed thousands of people but David has killed tens of thousands. This makes the king very angry and jealous of David. - 1 Samuel 18:7
• Jesus is supposed to have healed the blind but not much mention is made of the times when God's prophets intentionally made people blind. - Genesis 19:11, 2 Kings 6:18, Acts 13:11
• King David sets an example that will be later used by godly men during the crusades and the inquisition by taking the inhabitants of all the cities of Ammon and cutting them up with saws and axes and harrows of iron. - 1 Chronicles 20:3
• While describing the results of God's wrath on his chosen people, a prophet says "Those slain by the sword are better off than those who die of famine; racked with hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ... pitiful women have cooked their own children, who became their food ..." God has begun to learn that there are worse punishments than even death. - Lamentations 4:9-10
• Another prophet describes the actions of the cannibalistic Israelites in detail: "Who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh with the cauldron." Remember God said he would cause them to eat their own children because they wouldn't worship only him. Not only a jealous God, but exceedingly cruel also! - Micah 3:2-3

God didn't say anything - never did and never will, but men invoke His name to justify their atrocities.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Pretty interesting that people like Jared here fail to note the bloody history, and present behavior, of his fellow humans. As can be read in the news any day of the week.

First the former archangel rebelled and fell.
Like a rock...
Then? Tempted mankind who fell, resulting in the world we observe today.

But, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..."
John 3:16
While Jared may be ignorant of the saving power of the shed blood of the atoning lamb of God, the devil is not.
He knows his time is about up. Look around. Observe.

He simply points out the claim made in the Bible that God commanded a great deal of carnage. I assume Christians need ultimately justify that or otherwise be selective about what they believe in the Bible, and what they do not.

[Morpheus]

Actually, it is the people making these claims who are, "selective", in their mindset and viewpoints. When they ignore the evidence of their fellow humanity around them.
Mankind hasn't changed through the ages, we see.

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Mankind hasn't changed through the ages, we see.

Look again for it seems you fail to see the beauty,,,,,,only the pain.
There is beauty and pain but much more beauty now than before.

Not so long ago,most people posting on this forum would have been tortured and burned for their belief's with the backing of the church....I am not saying the church is all bad but parts were horrific and I am happy that MANKIND HAS CHANGED.

We do not have total freedom on the earth but we now have Spiritual freedom which WILL lead to Absolute Freedom
Spiritual freedom was taken from us by lies of eternal damnation

Positivity is key,,,,NOT doom and gloom.......but its your choice..Beauty or Damnation............I know what I choose

[Morpheus]

Barrynu? Again, what you refer to is about the failings of humanity. Involving a fallen mankind. While focus changes, has torture, assasination and murder ceased?

Feel free to keep lauding the blessings and progress of humanity, as prophetic events unfold.
Both in human behavior in the now global community,
as well as in the environment, and cosmos.

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

While focus changes, has torture, assasination and murder ceased?

It has not ceased yet but it is not as widespread as it was.

In the area that I live there was an average of 50 murders every year.this was 150 years ago.
Today,I cannot recall any murders this year and maybe 1 or 2 last year.
How can you deduce that everything is getting worse?

The media show's us all the terrible things in the world but very rarely show's us the good...............To see the good,you must look with your own eyes and not through the eyes of the media.
If you stay focused on the doom and gloom that was written years ago then this will influence your life and feelings.
If you focus on the beauty in the world,you will feel much better without the paranoia of ancient prophecies...........how long have people like you being saying "The end is nigh"?........Too long and there will probably be some still saying it in 100 years time...people that were infuenced by people like you.......you are not doing humanity or God any favours

Originally Posted by Jared.L

Hm.....if the God is almighty and allknowing how could he have created something that is not working as he expected and worship Satan (who created Satan, btw?). Why does he HOPE? He can do anything. He can make anything happen. Why torture his creation? (If he is not a sadist of course)

The bible doesn't teach God is all knowing. False religions teach that.
God had 2 choices in Eden after the rebels did what they did--kill them on the spot--that means no one ever given life would have been born, the seed would have died with them. Or allow the issues raised against him be proven once and for all time. God chose correctly. God isn't torturing his creation. Most make the wrong choices all by themselves and bring the problems upon themselves with those choices. Why? Because they are mislead by satan and do not know what issues were raised against God in Eden.

[Evan777]

K, this is way too long for me to even bother reading fully. TL;DR, based on your post and your replies to people's comments here, it looks like you're making the same mistake most other humans make about Our Father. All I'm going to say is this: The bible is only the HUMAN perspective of God. If you read some of my other posts, you'll get a better idea of Who He really is.