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03-06-2019, 09:17 AM
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I'll make one thing clear here, irregardless of the topic of meat: How you live your life and what you do is most certainly going to impact your spiritual growth (aka ''raising vibrations''). Living healthy is going to be more beneficial than living off junk. Drinking water is going to be better for you to be at peace than being a drunkard and being in ignorance. This is why any serious spiritual group, or any serious experienced teacher, knows that you have to make changes to your lifestyle in order to grow further on the path..
What is going on here a lot, on these forums and elsewhere on the internet, is there are many people who've had a handful of mystical experiences and confuse their insights with spiritual enlightenment or they imagine they are at some sort of ultimate destination. They will then claim nothing more is to be done..
Yes, everything IS spiritual, which however does not mean every individual piece is equally aware of that or realized, hence the need for spiritual practice and making choices beneficial to spiritual growth. Any person who is into spirituality (practically, not as some mental exercise!) knows it makes a lot of difference to do regular meditation or breathing exercise or anything else compared to not doing any of it. So unless you're actually ''enlightened'' you will have to keep up or you will fall off the path. I noticed this myself a decade ago after having spiritual experiences. I was foolish thinking I knew a lot and didn't have to do anything to gain further understanding..
Sadly I see quite a bit of disinformation, as well as this misunderstanding that I went through, going on here..
I recommend everyone to choose peaceful options in life ((which is already quite challenging day-to-day)) as this is closer aligned to our divine nature, as well as taking up regular spiritual practice..
Anything else is just philosophy..
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03-06-2019, 09:36 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
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Originally Posted by Altair
I'll make one thing clear here, irregardless of the topic of meat: How you live your life and what you do is most certainly going to impact your spiritual growth (aka ''raising vibrations''). Living healthy is going to be more beneficial than living off junk. Drinking water is going to be better for you to be at peace than being a drunkard and being in ignorance. This is why any serious spiritual group, or any serious experienced teacher, knows that you have to make changes to your lifestyle in order to grow further on the path..
What is going on here a lot, on these forums and elsewhere on the internet, is there are many people who've had a handful of mystical experiences and confuse their insights with spiritual enlightenment or they imagine they are at some sort of ultimate destination. They will then claim nothing more is to be done..
Yes, everything IS spiritual, which however does not mean every individual piece is equally aware of that or realized, hence the need for spiritual practice and making choices beneficial to spiritual growth. Any person who is into spirituality (practically, not as some mental exercise!) knows it makes a lot of difference to do regular meditation or breathing exercise or anything else compared to not doing any of it. So unless you're actually ''enlightened'' you will have to keep up or you will fall off the path. I noticed this myself a decade ago after having spiritual experiences. I was foolish thinking I knew a lot and didn't have to do anything to gain further understanding..
Sadly I see quite a bit of disinformation, as well as this misunderstanding that I went through, going on here..
I recommend everyone to choose peaceful options in life ((which is already quite challenging day-to-day)) as this is closer aligned to our divine nature, as well as taking up regular spiritual practice..
Anything else is just philosophy and mind food..
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It is an ongoing process of seeking refinement or "attunement" from the very gross energy vibrations, way up to the subtle and more subtler ones...but no soul can ever truly "reach" perfection (and at least be able to drag themselves back down enough to come on a Spiritual Forum and post about it). =)
Maybe some do though...stranger things have happened.
When you see what you call "disinformation", all I have to ask is "according to whom?"
I am not meaning to be impolite or offensive in any way. This is not directed at you or anybody in particular.
What makes people's beliefs SO important, that they are more important than the beliefs of another?" is the question we really should be asking here.
I agree with you that spiritual practice is very important to spiritual growth...but what can you say or do to those whose beliefs are fixated to the contrary?
Why, you say "I have my own preferred methods, but thank you very kindly for the suggestion".
Then watch them get agitated, annoyed and start to tell you how your ways are all "wrong" but they don't know stuff-all about your beliefs, or else they would be able to at least cough up more than a lame excuse as to why, which roughly translates as "because I said so".
Then, all one can say is "enjoy your enlightenment".
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03-06-2019, 11:18 PM
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Create a strong connection to your HS or whoever is meant to guide you, and you will be at the level of vibration you are ought to be, eat what you are meant to eat, do what you are meant to do.
It is that easy...
when you are ready
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04-06-2019, 12:50 AM
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Thanks Rah Nam.
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04-06-2019, 05:01 AM
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Dicipline .
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The truth is , there is no words to define it .
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08-06-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker
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But yes, give up meat if having it makes you believe that it will lower vibration. If we believe so, it is so.
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Bingo! It is the BELIEF that determines how foods affect us. Ask yourself what you truly believe about foods. “Once on the lips, forever on the hips” belief has caused many to gain weight for eating something they love.
Food will do to your body what YOU believe it will do.
I have found that the quickest way to raise vibration is to make a list of your ten favorite things to do in this world and picture yourself doing them. The feel_ good vibration in picturing yourself will raise it quickly. Also listening to songs that we listened to when we were young and carefree (re: no bills, haha!) helps tremendously. Best wishes!
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Speak a word for thy ideal. Not as to force an issue but ever constructive. --Edgar Cayce
Hope is praying for rain; Faith is bringing an umbrella
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08-06-2019, 09:37 AM
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Food will do to your body what YOU believe it will do.
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Beliefs are not a single determinant of reality. To suggest they are is solipsism, but I've come to expect this as the norm here on SF. Some people may believe sitting in bad posture or eating lots of junk food for years are not unhealthy, they live with that belief for many years, or even decades, and think ''Well I'm still fine'' until reality will sooner or later catch them. It's no different with the spiritual consequences..
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08-06-2019, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Altair
To suggest they are is solipsism, but I've come to expect this as the norm here on SF.
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The energy from this statement feels antagonistic. I’m commenting to the request for spiritual development of the OP and his journey with my experience, not to accost or detract from others but to simply enhance. Where one focuses will determine their direction. Take care.
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Speak a word for thy ideal. Not as to force an issue but ever constructive. --Edgar Cayce
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08-06-2019, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sojourner2013
The energy from this statement feels antagonistic. I’m commenting to the request for spiritual development of the OP and his journey with my experience, not to accost or detract from others but to simply enhance. Where one focuses will determine their direction. Take care.
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And I'm commenting on your comment..
Perhaps you can tell that to people who eat too much sugar and junk and are having major health issues..? These sort of solipsist beliefs ((which are common here)) are not conducive to human health, whether that's ''breatharianism'' or ''food will do what you believe it will do''. You are entitled to your beliefs, just as I'm entitled to point out the issue with it..
Take care.
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09-06-2019, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
And I'm commenting on your comment..
You are entitled to your beliefs, just as I'm entitled to point out the issue with it..
Take care.
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Now this sounds like solipsism...Welcome to our club!!
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Speak a word for thy ideal. Not as to force an issue but ever constructive. --Edgar Cayce
Hope is praying for rain; Faith is bringing an umbrella
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