getting sick after dental work

Originally Posted by vecta3

i came down with M.E. following the addition of one silver/mercury amalgam filling.

Here's an interesting link to a page about the potential causes of M.E.
http://www.supportme.co.uk/causes.htm

They did mention this line: "It seems that a variety of factors may have a part in contributing to whether a person is susceptible to developing ME/CFS when an event (such as a infection, vaccination, toxin or stress) occurs."

Which would make sense in the case of mercury exposure. Your best tool in this case is a healthy gut flora... (actually the best tool in all cases but particularly when there's an exposure to toxins).

A study was done where two sets of mice were exposed to equal doses of mercury orally. The one group of mice had a healthy population of active gut flora, while the other group had much of their gut sterilized with antibiotics. When fed the mercury the mice with the good gut bacteria came through the exposure in pretty good shape... roughly only 2 percent of the mercury made it's way into the blood.... but the results was almost the opposite with the sterilized mice. Their blood was poisoned with more than 95 percent of the mercury going straight into the system.

It seems that a healthy gut flora acts as a remarkable chelator! Which would be particularly important in the case of amalgam fillings, where the mercury dosing is continuous.
A strong store-bought Probiotic, or homemade yogurt, kefir and/or cultured vegetables are all wonderful support and replenishers in this regard...

[Dragonfly1]

around 25ish years ago, i had major dental work done, lots of fillings some deep with amalgam fillings to most, and id had a lot of anaesthetic. When i had it done, i was quite slim and super fit, i went to the gym regularly, did weights aerobics, swam a lot, road my bike everywhere......after the fillings were done, i started to feel unwell, i became sensitive to smells, perfumes nearly killed me......i began to get really tired all the time, and i could no longer sustain my activity levels which were quite normal for me....i began to gain weight even though i wasn't eating more. I went to the doctor, and she said i was having a thyroid issue....so she put me on thyroid medication, which made me feel worse.....i went to specialist, who said that for some reason my pituatry was malfunctioning but didnt know why, and did tests.....nothing concrete could be found......i was taken off the thyroid medication, but by this time id gained 60kgs!!...just OMG!...i got really depressed and didn't know what to do......ever since i had the amalgam fillings, ive suffered ill health in one form or another......i still carry the extra weight, although since menopause ive been able to lose some of it........ive just had recent dental work which removed most of the amalgam fillings, but i have two left.
The second last filling that i had in november brought on a massive migraine that had to be treated by the doctor.....the nerves in my jaw are still sensitive to the dental work today.......so to me, going to the dentist can be quite detrimental to one's health.....unless of course it is just a coincidence that all those things happened after dentistry.....

Originally Posted by Dragonfly1

around 25ish years ago, i had major dental work done, lots of fillings some deep .

Hi Dragonfly :^)

It was this first line that you wrote that said a great deal about why the mercury helped to take you where it did... you were already compromised with degradation already setting-in, with the mercury exposure simply tipping the balance.

I've been spending a lot of time lately looking into detox and it's interesting how our bodies daily go about this business. We naturally detox the waste products, from all that goes on in our body, as well as disposing of close to 30 billion cells a day that have ended their cycle. Our bodies are designed to handle the normal process of natural exposures but it's not able to keep up with the massive toxic load that we are putting on it today. So stuff happens when this balance is tipped.... weight gain, bone deterioration, skin problems, respiratory problems, all are a result of our bodies attempts at addressing this overly toxic exposure through whatever means that it has left... the body has an inventory of emergency measures, which are supposed to be turned off when a crisis has passed... unfortunately for us this modern crisis-of-toxicity never ends so these emergency measures have become our new normal.

Here's an incredible book that I would highly encourage everyone to read that simply blew me away as the implications became clear. Weston Price was a dentist around the turn of the last century, who in the 1930's did a major traveling throughout the globe in the search of healthy teeth. The results of this study is profound. He sought out indigenous cultures that were mostly untouched by the more modern "foods" and compared those to the same culture nearby that had access to shipping ports, or other means of trading with the outside world. The contrast is astounding.... It seems that even the lightest exposure to white flour, white sugar, and vegetable oils was enough to take a historically, extremely healthy population, and spin them right down into the toilet... and this was before all the chemicals and other massive exposure to the kinds of processed foods we have today!

Read this book....! for me it has helped establish a baseline for what we're truly up against in terms of our dietary exposure... it's a wonder that any of us are still alive!
http://www.w8md.com/nutrition_vs_physical_degeneration_dr_weston_price .pdf

[Arcturus]

Originally Posted by StephenK

It seems that a healthy gut flora acts as a remarkable chelator! Which would be particularly important in the case of amalgam fillings, where the mercury dosing is continuous. [/font]
A strong store-bought Probiotic, or homemade yogurt, kefir and/or cultured vegetables [/font]are all wonderful support and replenishers in this regard...

i tried this for a few years stephen and came to the conclusion that a healthy gut comes from alkaline tissues and blood, not from acidic pickles. i would say that a good store bought probiotic is not harmfull as these are not acidic, in my experience. in the body after the stomaqch has "fermented" the food, the pancreas secretes a bicarb solution to re-alkalise the food. the problem with fermented foods is that they don't mimic nature, which on average, ferments without leaving an acidic end result. in alchemy they say the best way to age something is with no light, heat or air. this way it remains alkaline. when they used to hang animals to tendarise the meat, they would push the tongue down the throat and then hang in a dark cool room. the tongue down the throat created a vacuum (no air), plus there was no light or heat...this is how you age/ferment. still, a little fermented food in winter if you're healthy by all means, but most chronically ill people aleady have an overabundance of positive charge in their system, and ferments only add to that acidicty. healthy flora in the body, as an overall average for a healthy person, exists in an alkaline medium, not acidic...ferments do not mimic the bodys bacteria at all.

Originally Posted by vecta3

i tried this for a few years stephen and came to the conclusion that a healthy gut comes from alkaline tissues and blood, not from acidic pickles.

What were you doing when trying the fermented route? Everyone that I've introduced homemake kefir to are experiencing really good outcomes. Good enough outcomes that they themselves have learned to make it and wouldn't go a day without it. And these are mostly older conservative folks, not the type of folks who would latch on to frivolous fads... their allergies clear up, their bowel movements become regular, they get a pep to their step that they haven't experienced for years.... and one friend with some serious chronic conditions has reduced his medications down from about 15 different types to about 2.

I'm thinking that by the way you refer to this subject that this expectation of "things not working" has a greater sway on your outcomes than the actual things themselves. It's always possible to undo the good of anything by the heavy exception of a lessened experience. It's not all physical...

[blackraven]

Originally Posted by Berry

I just realized that although dental cleanings is important for maintaining health, it can wreak havoc on a body. Last year I got trigeminal neuralgia immediately following dental drilling/cavity refix. This year, I had a neck infection, and generalized infection immediately following dental cleaning. I usually get sick following any dental cleanings be it a cold or something else.

I think the bacteria in the mouth is introduced into the blood stream whenever dental work is done. The nerves also get affected. They get poked and prodded and germs are spread. To minimize this, the best solution is to use lots of mouth rinse prior to any dental work. Also, I will, from now on, go to my dentist only when I'm healthy with no sinus or other issues.

Do any of you get sick post dental work?

Berry - Interesting topic. As much as I stay on top of my dental cleanings (at least twice a year), I always get run down and develop either a cold or sore throat after dental work. I'm convinced that no dental equipment can be completely sterile and without viral germs sitting on them. I even take pre-medication antibiotics each time I get my teeth cleaned too. I have considered the possibility that the antibiotics destroy my ability to fight infections at the dentist office and that's why I double up on my probiotics intake at that time. Still, when I sit getting my teeth cleaned I just can't help seeing all the people that got their mouth's cleaned in that chair before me. I just know I always feel ill after every dental cleaning.

Blackraven

[Arcturus]

Originally Posted by StephenK

What were you doing when trying the fermented route? Everyone that I've introduced homemake kefir to are experiencing really good outcomes. Good enough outcomes that they themselves have learned to make it and wouldn't go a day without it. And these are mostly older conservative folks, not the type of folks who would latch on to frivolous fads... their allergies clear up, their bowel movements become regular, they get a pep to their step that they haven't experienced for years.... and one friend with some serious chronic conditions has reduced his medications down from about 15 different types to about 2.

I'm thinking that by the way you refer to this subject that this expectation of "things not working" has a greater sway on your outcomes than the actual things themselves. It's always possible to undo the good of anything by the heavy exception of a lessened experience. It's not all physical...

i tried rejuvalec, home made yoghurt, kombucha and the most powerfull was sprouted seed cheese; which was sprouted pumpkin or sunflower seeds fermented in rejuvalac--literally a tablespoon and you're wide awake! i tried it alot and a little over about 3 years. i can assure you that it doesn't help everyone. you know folk who take long term anti-biotics for lyme or m.e. (bad decision imo) also loose many allergies and their gut health seems from the outside to improve. anti-biotics are acidifying also and like all folk who do fermented foods, all their problems return if they stop...why? if something truly cures a problem then stopping should be fine.

some folk, like myself, can't even ground acupuncture treatment, homeopathy or flower essences. that said i don't put fermented foods in the same category as healing therapies. i've spoken to folk about fermented foods and in my experience they become evangelistic and protective about their new buzz food. i know it gives a hit and can have a powerfull grounding affect, seems too much so sometimes. it's my body that said no to them, not me. if you want to mimic nature i suggest that you add some alkaline mineral to your end product to stabilise it's ph to 7 or just over< try that as an experiment. superfoods like fermented foods, sprouted lentils, rejuvalac, wheatgrass juice etc etc should be used cautiously as it's easy to overdo them. personally i think a quart of kefir a day is alot. speaking to a girl online the other day who likes fermenting food; she also has acid reflux (caused by fermented foods due to low stomach acidity, which is a result of high tissue acidity)..imo maybe cos she eats fermented foods...they certainly haven't righted it....and anyway just how long does one habve to re-populate the gut until it can stand on it's own? never it seems because it doesn't "re-populate"...if it did you could stop.

Originally Posted by vecta3

i tried rejuvalec, home made yoghurt, kombucha and the most powerfull was sprouted seed cheese; which was sprouted pumpkin or sunflower seeds fermented in rejuvalac--literally a tablespoon and you're wide awake! i tried it alot and a little over about 3 years. i can assure you that it doesn't help everyone. you know folk who take long term anti-biotics for lyme or m.e. (bad decision imo) also loose many allergies and their gut health seems from the outside to improve. anti-biotics are acidifying also and like all folk who do fermented foods, all their problems return if they stop...why? if something truly cures a problem then stopping should be fine.
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I'll certainly give you very high marks for giving all this a good go! So many folks are so addicted to the ways that they were culturally trained that they will ride those unexplored habits unabated into an early grave. I'm deeply impressed with how much attention you've given to this!

Of course it's clear that you're aware that there's so much more than the inclusion of fermented foods . There is also detoxing, intelligent food choices, and an avoidance of toxic sources that puts stressors on our overall system. I do empathize with your challenges! For myself I seemed to have bounced back to a very high degree of appreciative health but my wife is not progressing as quickly. Her situation is humbling to me. We are adding and subtracting things all the time, move her forward , run into minor problems, then retreat a bit and go again from another angle. Much of her problems have come from her long adherence to the recommendations that have come from the medical community. Low fat/no fat, a leaning toward artificial sweeteners as a low carb option, numerous toxic exposures to prescribed medications all to address things that are much better addressed through diet... and then of course the processed foods that both her and I have eaten plenty of.. She a long time nurse and had been doing what she was told.. while I never really joined in all the way.

So much of what's she's been dealing with has been quite chronic as a result. It hasn't been till the last couple of years that we finally got a clue as to what's been the main driver of all of this. So as we "adapted" I was lucky that I snapped-back to youthful health rather quickly, while in watching her challenges it's kept me focused on the fact that not all the same stuff works the same way for everyone. Had I just been tracking my own response to these changes then I suspect I'd be far more obnoxious than I already am about this stuff... :^)

So I've been exploring the various tools and am one by one putting them to work in response to this learn curve. With my wife it appears we're about 80% there.. she's so much better off than she was!

I agree that a quart of kefir is a bit much... I'm about half a quart a day, my wife is using about a heavy cup. Actually what fermented foods are is simply the concentrated versions of what we're supposed to be exposed to everyday through our environment. For example, I can make sauerkraut without using a starter.. it is helpful to get the cabbage straight from a farm if I can. The bacteria that's fermented is already there on the outside layers of the cabbage. Our bodies were designed to utilize this bacteria which should be naturally prevalent on all the foods we eat... only the way things are run now they're either washed away, sprayed to death, or processed out when added to high shelf-life foods. So fermented foods are simply returning what should have been there all along... this is all stuff we should be being exposed to anyway... it's all quite natural really...

Each of the things "that work" are extensions of a very normal and natural exposure to that which our bodies have evolved in relation to. The inclusion of oxygen therapy is simply compensating for the lack of a good oxygen content within the surrounding air.. and the use of colon cleansing is simply addressing an unnatural exposure to our modern day high-level exposure to unnatural toxins.

Pretty much everything about the need to address healthy habits is in response to that which we are no longer getting, or a response to the other stuff that we shouldn't be exposed to. So methodically tracking along those lines seems to be the path of better outcomes... it has been for me! ..while my wife's situation has been encouraging me to go much much deeper...

[Tobi]

You know, I'm wondering if this could be the Dentist's office itself as the root cause. Just think of the door handles (touched by many people a day) the magazines and newspapers....the chair arm-rests...etc.
Same goes for Doctors' places....steer well clear if you don't want to pick up a cold. Or alternatively don't touch eyes nose or mouth or eat etc without washing hands first?

Originally Posted by Tobi

You know, I'm wondering if this could be the Dentist's office itself as the root cause. Just think of the door handles (touched by many people a day) the magazines and newspapers....the chair arm-rests...etc.
Same goes for Doctors' places....steer well clear if you don't want to pick up a cold. Or alternatively don't touch eyes nose or mouth or eat etc without washing hands first?

A cool new addition to dentistry is something that's been around for over 100 years. That's the addition of ozone to the mix. It sterilizes without using chemicals and is friendly to our bodies aerobic composition. Here's a video where a dentist explains how critical this is to his own practice. It actually frightens him now to go a day without it's use with his patients.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYRaLDh2kM8

Ozone is simply an oxygen molecule on steroids (O3).... very caustic to anaerobic unfriendly bacteria, (which don't posses the enzymes to protect themselves from oxidation)... while our own body cells and friendly aerobic bacteria are complimentary with this exposure....

Ozone therapy, in general, is proving to be an amazing application for so much of what ails us! It's being widely used in Europe and is only just now gaining some traction in the US. It was just recently assigned it's own insurance code and is gaining legal ground in some states:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ozone_therapy&oldid=453926959

In the USA, recently passed Alternative Therapy Legislation has made ozone therapy an option for patients in some states. In Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, and Washington, physicians can legally use ozone treatments in their practice without fear of prosecution.