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Old 26-08-2011, 06:31 PM
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3 steps to enlightenment

A lot of people have become a victim of the mind. Instead of you being in control of your mind your mind is in control of you. Compulsive thoughts. It creates an identity created by the mind. This is a delusion. These 3 steps will bring you to your natural state of Being. The stillness and peace.

1) observe your thoughts: when you become the watcher of your thoughts you are creating a gap. A new dimension if you'd like. Don't judge what you observe. Just watch silently.
When you watch your thoughts you are withdrawing energy from the mind. There is a vast realm of intelligence that derives beyond the mind. Your awareness will increase. It brings you present and ever more deeply into the Now. You will feel a deep peace within you.

2) observe your bodies emotions: be the observer/watcher of your emotions. Don't be a PART of it. Be the silent watcher of your emotions. Over time your emotions and thoughts won't be as meaningful to you anymore. Make it a habit to do this. When you observe your emotions they don't have the power to make you feel a certain way. You can observe in peace. The more you observe your thoughts and emotions the deeper the 'gaps' of no-mind occur. There is not an end to how peaceful you can feel. It just gets deeper and deeper.

3) Observe your reactions: When you are around others is where you are most likely to kind of forget what you have been practicing. Practice 'Being' around others. Be aware around others. Try not to think while the other is talking. Practice your spirituality around people, until It becomes perminent. Try and not let others words effect you in a negative way. When you observe your reactions you will become aware of the unconscious behavior.

Master all three, and you will be enlightened. You Will be free of mind and emotions. The deeper you get into this peace, the more joy arises within you. And within that joy there is love, and beyond that is the indescribable.
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Old 29-08-2011, 02:44 AM
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Step 4) Breathe and allow those thoughts, emotions and reactions just as they are... and let go all the time.


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Old 29-08-2011, 05:56 AM
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Moke, What you are describing is Process. It brings you to position E in the diagram. There is a point of realization which pops awareness off of its identification with the mind and brings one into the awareness of an absolute frame of reference, labelled G. In most spiritual traditions Enlightenment is reserved for the state of reality where one is living in the self-identification as that absolute frame of reference. The individual "you", what you identified with as an individual is no longer identified with as one's true self.

There is nothing that can be done by the individual to take them from E to G. That transition is an act of Grace from beyond the individual. And in most traditions with a system or notion of enlightenment, what is realized and experienced is a profound state of non-individuality, a state in which there is no individual or personal self. Rikki is not wrong for saying there is no self.

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Old 29-08-2011, 06:45 AM
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Calling the transition to non-individual awareness an act of Grace from beyond the individual seems misleading, to be honest. It suggests that something does this to the individual. It suggests something does something to something else... which really doesn't seem to be the case when it happens. It is a state of awareness of complete non-separation. So, if it happens by an outside something's act of grace, that implies something being separate from other things.... which if true would mean that the non-separateness is false.

That said, it still isn't something that the individual can make happen exactly. When it happens it just happens. It seems that it is more likely to just happen during certain circumstances... which still somehow doesn't mean that setting up these circumstances makes it happen. It still has to just happen, if it happens.

And when it happens, although you are not aware of any separateness during this state, it's not happening to every individual POV's awareness. Some people have been in this state of awareness and others have not. If someone who has been in this state of awareness communicates about it effectively enough, others who have had the same awareness will understand what the person is talking about and know it to be something they have also experienced... But those who have not experienced it will not understand, or will only understand on an intellectual level rather than relating to their own experiences. So the individual does not stop having an individual POV during the time of being in a state where he/she is unaware of the individual self. It is a state that includes being unaware of certain things that are nevertheless still true even while you are unaware of them.

So I don't call it enlightenment. It is enlightening in a sense that you can learn and experience things you did not know before. But I don't see this experience as something that makes someone into an enlightened person.. After experiencing this awareness, your awareness changes back, or changes to something else altogether. Each particular state of awareness is incomplete and involves being unaware of certain things - even the non-individual awareness. You won't see the whole truth while only taking one state of awareness into account. Each one is like a piece of the puzzle. It is possible to see more than one piece of the puzzle at once, or at least switch back and forth between different ones to see that they all have something to tell us about reality. Something experiences these changes in awareness that not every person has experienced. So saying that there is no self is too simplistic to be the whole truth. It may be true in a sense, but only in a sense that that's the way that one piece of the puzzle is. The other pieces are still there, even when you are not looking at them, and one of them involves the truth that one person can experience things that others have not.
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Old 29-08-2011, 07:11 AM
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Arive, I hear you about what is beyond the individual. But you do agree with the point that no intentional action can take you there. If anything, intentional action is resistance to it happening. Something inexplicable happens that profoundly changes our perspective.

And of course, when it happens, the term "enlightenment" feels empty, misleading. But before its happening, that event of its happening is what is thought of (traditionally) as enlightenment.

http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/maxsys.htm
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Old 29-08-2011, 07:22 AM
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All because it's the journey that gets you there that is the most fulfilling!

Once there, if that is possible, the fulfillment after is by helping others to reach it and them being a reminder of your own journey.

Which is false fulfillment!

Or in some cases vampirism,,,

Feeding off another,,,

To help someone and receive thanks and admiration is fulfilling, yet not a spot on the fulfillment of actually doing it,,,

It's just a top up!

So, what is then lacking in order for the top up to come in?

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Old 29-08-2011, 07:32 AM
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But you do agree with the point that no intentional action can take you there.
Yes, it is not an intentional act. It's a happening, not a doing.

Even when I transition in and out of that awareness during certain practices, I can't find any doing that makes it happen. What was I doing when the transition happened? What do I do each time it happens during these practices? There's no answer to that. I don't do it. I go into a peaceful state of mind, which is something I can do sometimes in various ways. Then I'm just enjoying the peace... Then it happens, sometimes, but often not.
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Old 29-08-2011, 10:20 AM
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Hi Top, where is the diagram from?

Thanks,

3d


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Moke, What you are describing is Process. It brings you to position E in the diagram. There is a point of realization which pops awareness off of its identification with the mind and brings one into the awareness of an absolute frame of reference, labelled G. In most spiritual traditions Enlightenment is reserved for the state of reality where one is living in the self-identification as that absolute frame of reference. The individual "you", what you identified with as an individual is no longer identified with as one's true self.

There is nothing that can be done by the individual to take them from E to G. That transition is an act of Grace from beyond the individual. And in most traditions with a system or notion of enlightenment, what is realized and experienced is a profound state of non-individuality, a state in which there is no individual or personal self. Rikki is not wrong for saying there is no self.

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Old 29-08-2011, 03:14 PM
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You know your enlightened when you feel the deep love and compassion. The deep peace and joy.
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Old 29-08-2011, 04:08 PM
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Hi Top, where is the diagram from?

Thanks,

3d

The diagram is from a book called "Psychogy of the Observer" authored by Richard Rose. Click on the picture and it will take you to the host site where I got it. The site is http://searchwithin.org. I believe.
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