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10-05-2019, 05:19 PM
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Knower
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Morpheus,
re: "Not really sure what you are asking rstrats."
Does the supreme being know before He creates a person that He will eventually be casting the person into the lake of fire?
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10-05-2019, 06:01 PM
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Master
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: God's House
Posts: 12,228
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Originally Posted by 7luminaries
LOL...but that's where free will also comes into play. We create much of the world of suffering you describe.
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The cruelty of nature and the violence of the universe has nothing to do with free will. If we don't eat we die. If we don't drink we die. If we fall down the stairs we break a bone. If we don't find shelter in winter we freeze. If we swallow some harmful bacteria we become ill.
The whole of the physical plane is fraught with danger. We grow up in this plane and struggle to survive. However the odds are stacked against us. I actually think that Human beings do really well all things considered. Not very long ago Humans were living in caves and eating roots and berries. We have come a long way.
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11-05-2019, 02:21 AM
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Knower
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Mississippi River Vslley
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Of course God knows everything. He IS everything. :)
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11-05-2019, 07:16 AM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Originally Posted by edithaint
Of course God knows everything. He IS everything. :)
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Exactly, agree totally.
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11-05-2019, 07:45 PM
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Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Matrix
Posts: 6,575
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Honza
The cruelty of nature and the violence of the universe has nothing to do with free will. If we don't eat we die. If we don't drink we die. If we fall down the stairs we break a bone. If we don't find shelter in winter we freeze. If we swallow some harmful bacteria we become ill.
The whole of the physical plane is fraught with danger. We grow up in this plane and struggle to survive. However the odds are stacked against us. I actually think that Human beings do really well all things considered. Not very long ago Humans were living in caves and eating roots and berries. We have come a long way.
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Vegetarians would have everyone continue to do so.
Meanwhile, this organic and biological situation, since the fall, is not what was originally intended.
And, called "the illusion" by science today.
The Wachowski's illustration is appropriate.
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Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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18-05-2019, 05:31 PM
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Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,087
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Honza
The cruelty of nature and the violence of the universe has nothing to do with free will. If we don't eat we die. If we don't drink we die. If we fall down the stairs we break a bone. If we don't find shelter in winter we freeze. If we swallow some harmful bacteria we become ill.
The whole of the physical plane is fraught with danger. We grow up in this plane and struggle to survive. However the odds are stacked against us. I actually think that Human beings do really well all things considered. Not very long ago Humans were living in caves and eating roots and berries. We have come a long way.
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Honza hello there. You're right that the physical realm it's challenging and in many ways harsh and unforgiving. For most of us and for most of humanity, we need to support and honour one another in a balanced and sustainable way to even have a real shot at surviving, much less thriving. As either individuals or communities.
We need to be more loving to ourselves and one another. That's what Jesus said and seems he's appt on per usual . Otherwise it's as you say, we're not necessarily cut out for this physical realm. Much of it down to our capacity to choose from self awareness but with a misaligned intent. This situation doesn't plague the animals. They are innocent in their acts of survival.
So while supporting one another physically is necessary for our survival, it seems it's equally important to support one another emotionally and physically. Also for our survival.
BTW there is a Jewish midrash about a couple of angels criticising humanity for our egregious ways and our fallible human condition basically, with God (always depicted as accessible and available personally for a chat) saying you wouldn't last a day or you'd struggle to do so. The angels disagreed and so went and incarnated as human men. After a few hours they were overwhelmed with the struggles and emotions that they begged to end the project and admitted it was harder than it looked...
Peace & blessings,
7L
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Here we must be unafraid of what is difficult.
For all living beings in nature must unfold in their particular way
and become themselves despite all opposition.
-- Rainer Maria Rilke
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17-07-2022, 08:25 PM
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Knower
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 190
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Originally Posted by sky
Exactly, agree totally.
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So why do you suppose He goes ahead and creates the person anyway?
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