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Old 10-08-2018, 12:10 PM
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ERROR in ESTIMATION of the RATE OF THE EXPANSION OF the UNIVERSE

THE Rate of the Expansion of the Universe has been a subject matter of controversy for a long time.

SCIENTISTS have determined the Rate of the Expansion of the Universe to be 67 km per second per megaparsec. This figure represents expansion ( km ) in one direction say lengthwise only. Actually the Universe is expanding in three directions- length, breadth, and height or volume wise.

So Rate of the Expansion of the Universe should be measured in three directions and presented as length (67 km) X Breadth ( ... Km ) X Height ( ... Km ) per second per megaparsec. Or ... Cubic Km per second per megaparsec. This approach would give the correct figure and help in ending the controversy.
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THE Rate of the Expansion of the Universe has been a subject matter of controversy for a long time.

SCIENTISTS have determined the Rate of the Expansion of the Universe to be 67 km per second per megaparsec. This figure represents expansion ( km ) in one direction say lengthwise only. Actually the Universe is expanding in three directions- length, breadth, and height or volume wise.

So Rate of the Expansion of the Universe should be measured in three directions and presented as length (67 km) X Breadth ( ... Km ) X Height ( ... Km ) per second per megaparsec. Or ... Cubic Km per second per megaparsec. This approach would give the correct figure and help in ending the controversy.




When they say 'accelerating rate of expansion' they mean the increasing speed at which galaxies move away from each other, which is not a measure of volume.


If we hypothetically reverse the rate, then the galaxies would move closer together, slowing down rather than accellerating - just like running a film backwards - If that calculation is used, the galaxies would form a singularity in 13.7 billion years. So, the universe is 13.7 billion years old, or more precisely, the big bang occurred 13.7 billion years ago.
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Old 10-08-2018, 07:00 PM
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When they say 'accelerating rate of expansion' they mean the increasing speed at which galaxies move away from each other, which is not a measure of volume.


If we hypothetically reverse the rate, then the galaxies would move closer together, slowing down rather than accelerating - just like running a film backwards - If that calculation is used, the galaxies would form a singularity in 13.7 billion years. So, the universe is 13.7 billion years old, or more precisely, the big bang occurred 13.7 billion years ago.

This is what Edwin Hubble observed from receding Galaxies but named it ' Expanding Universe and astronomers are using its figure to determine the age of the Universe.

So astronomers should correct themselves and find the volumetric increase in space with respect to time to determine the Expansion of the Universe. Receding galaxies cannot represent whole universe.
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:46 AM
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This is what Edwin Hubble observed from receding Galaxies but named it ' Expanding Universe and astronomers are using its figure to determine the age of the Universe.

So astronomers should correct themselves and find the volumetric increase in space with respect to time to determine the Expansion of the Universe. Receding galaxies cannot represent whole universe.




Galactic distances are measured by observing the brightness of supernovae. Astromoners determine the rate at which the galaxies that contain those supernovae move away from Earth by measuring the red shift of light from such supernovae. Since speed is a function of time and distance, so is acceleration the rate as which speed (or velocity) changes. Hence, distance and red shift are used determine the rate of acceleration, and therefore, the time that has expired since the big bang. If astronomers somehow extrapolated a volume using the same data, that would not alter their result because volume is a but function of distances. The 'singularity' would still be calculated as occurring 13.7 billion years ago. Of course their calculations are checked and double checked and peer reviewed by the international scientific community, so it's very unlikely indeed that their math is faulty.



If you can explain the rationale for your calculation, then I would understand the logic just as I understand the rationale and logic of the science.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:53 PM
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VERMA'S EXPERIMENT DISPROVES 13.7 BILLION YEARS AGE OF THE UNIVERSE LINK

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Galactic distances are measured by observing the brightness of supernovae. Astromoners determine the rate at which the galaxies that contain those supernovae move away from Earth by measuring the red shift of light from such supernovae. Since speed is a function of time and distance, so is acceleration the rate as which speed (or velocity) changes. Hence, distance and red shift are used determine the rate of acceleration, and therefore, the time that has expired since the big bang. If astronomers somehow extrapolated a volume using the same data, that would not alter their result because volume is a but function of distances. The 'singularity' would still be calculated as occurring 13.7 billion years ago. Of course their calculations are checked and double checked and peer reviewed by the international scientific community, so it's very unlikely indeed that their math is faulty.

If you can explain the rationale for your calculation, then I would understand the logic just as I understand the rationale and logic of the science.


The light from the galaxies would converge on earth from where the observation is being made. It will indicate the age of the earth and not the age of the universe.

I have discussed the subject on many threads -

VERMA'S EXPERIMENT DISPROVES 13.7 BILLION YEARS AGE OF THE UNIVERSE LINK http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=90707

WHERE NASA AND EINSTEIN WENT WRONG IN BIG BANG LINK
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=89813

AFTER 5 TIMES FAILURE OF LHC EXPERIMENT I think it is not worthwhile to discuss this topic.
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VERMA'S EXPERIMENT DISPROVES 13.7 BILLION YEARS AGE OF THE UNIVERSE LINK

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Galactic distances are measured by observing the brightness of supernovae. Astromoners determine the rate at which the galaxies that contain those supernovae move away from Earth by measuring the red shift of light from such supernovae. Since speed is a function of time and distance, so is acceleration the rate as which speed (or velocity) changes. Hence, distance and red shift are used determine the rate of acceleration, and therefore, the time that has expired since the big bang. If astronomers somehow extrapolated a volume using the same data, that would not alter their result because volume is a but function of distances. The 'singularity' would still be calculated as occurring 13.7 billion years ago. Of course their calculations are checked and double checked and peer reviewed by the international scientific community, so it's very unlikely indeed that their math is faulty.

If you can explain the rationale for your calculation, then I would understand the logic just as I understand the rationale and logic of the science.


The light from the galaxies would converge on earth from where the observation is being made. It will indicate the age of the earth and not the age of the universe.

I have discussed the subject on many threads -

VERMA'S EXPERIMENT DISPROVES 13.7 BILLION YEARS AGE OF THE UNIVERSE LINK http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=90707

WHERE NASA AND EINSTEIN WENT WRONG IN BIG BANG LINK
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=89813

AFTER 5 TIMES FAILURE OF LHC EXPERIMENT I think it is not worthwhile to discuss this topic.
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The light from the galaxies would converge on earth from where the observation is being made. It will indicate the age of the earth and not the age of the universe.


That doesn't make sense. The light from very distant objects has been traveling toward the place where the Earth now exists since before this planet was formed.



Imagine an object emitted a photon 10 billion years ago... Earth started forming say 5 billion years ago while that photon was crossing the vastness of space. When Earth reaches the age of 5 Bil years, the photon finally arrives here.


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I have discussed the subject on many threads -

VERMA'S EXPERIMENT DISPROVES 13.7 BILLION YEARS AGE OF THE UNIVERSE LINK http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=90707

WHERE NASA AND EINSTEIN WENT WRONG IN BIG BANG LINK
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=89813

AFTER 5 TIMES FAILURE OF LHC EXPERIMENT I think it is not worthwhile to discuss this topic.
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