Self-confidence and arrogance.

[A human Being]

Originally Posted by Starman

While arrogance has no room for humility confidence can, and often does, express itself with humility.

Great point

[WuWei]

Arrogance is what confidence looks like to the insecure.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Arrogance is what confidence looks like to the insecure.

otoh self confidence leaves room for others; arrogance doesn't.

[Ground]

Originally Posted by lighter

Hi everyone!

Where goes the limit between good self-confidence and arrogance?

I personally have never had any appreciation of what self-confidence actually feels like.

self-confidence resides in the self-confident individual and is independent of comparison with others. it is an awareness from within, not looking to the outside.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by lighter

Hi everyone!

Where goes the limit between good self-confidence and arrogance?

I personally have never had any appreciation of what self-confidence actually feels like.

I think it is self-confidence without clarity that results in arrogance, and consequently errors and failure.

Here is an article by Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev in this regard.

[ocean breeze]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Arrogance is what confidence looks like to the insecure.

Yep, think Muhammad Ali, who was hated by many at his time. Taunting his opponents, believing himself to be better than everyone else. Yet he was extremely confident in his abilities. People thought of him as boastful, arrogant. But the opinions of others didn't seem to phase him. He was his own person. Many other athletes are quite similar.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by ocean breeze

Confidence or Arrogance. This vid is a good description on the difference: https://youtu.be/pGy0CgiAHX8

Why not be confidently arrogant or arrogantly confident?

But arrogance is a form of violence and intention. Confidence and arrogance is nothing more then a perspective. I have experience confidence and though not arrogance so much but recognize it as a expression of power over another. Buddha might say it's an attachment. Step back and look at it. Choose it or not and notice it might just be something we cannot not choose.

Everyone gets the opportunity to experience confidence in some form. Here's an example, sports. I've been very completive all my life, and I think sports is a good example in the area of confidence. Arrogance seen in field of sports is competition and the intention behind it. Even here control can be lost. Arrogance replaces love does it not. Arrogance is an example. In the realm of the spiritual what if I believed my belief was superior. One can pick other things, work, school, wealth, and so on. From a spiritual perspective would that be out of balance? If we think about confidence and how it is used it is like fighting. I enjoyed winning! Hated losing. But one cannot have two masters.

I will say this and my experience of it. I tend to feel anger when arrogance is projected and I think one has to look at this as cause and effect.

[Moonglow]

Hello,

Self confidence, to me, is knowing One is good at something or worthy without having to prove it.
Arrogance comes off as a need to have to prove self worth or status to others. It is to me a form of insecurity.

If one is secure with in oneself, then what is there to prove to another?

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by lighter

Hi everyone!

Where goes the limit between good self-confidence and arrogance?

I personally have never had any appreciation of what self-confidence actually feels like.

arrogance is all in a persons head, someone who is arrogant might believe they are better than other people because they look more beautiful or are smarter or have a nicer life as a whole (good family, good job, health, etc).

Confident people wouldn't make a value judgement because of a superficial thing. They might be accepting of the value of their beauty or intelligence but they won't go any further than recognizing their looks are rare or desirable, but they just are like "yep, not many other people have a brain like this, I'm lucky, thanks" they don't go "yep, not many others have a brain like this, and I'm better than everyone who doesn't".

[ocean breeze]

Originally Posted by lemex

But arrogance is a form of violence and intention.

Not really. A person can be confident and have violent intentions as well. I think most have this silly idea that a confident person must act or be a certain way, which is nonsense. A confident person can be very boastful about their abilities. They may enjoy showing off and competing. While others may be quiet and humble about their abilities. And there is no need for a confident person to act modest just for the sake of pleasing everyone else. I think many are afraid to come off as boastful or arrogant because it is frowned upon. So they act modest even when they don't feel like being that way.