Integral/Holistic view & approach to schizophrenia

[Being]

The following is some information & links to further research & learning for people directly dealing with or working with people experiencing psychosis. Looking at far more integral & deeper understandings of peoples experiences & pathways to healing.

The Misunderstanding of Psychosis

"Dr Natalie Tobert is Education Director of Aethos Training. Specialising in social inclusion education, she facilitates participatory training workshops on health and cultural awareness, for front line staff at medical schools, universities and hospitals. She has given conference papers throughout UK, and facilitated events in Sweden, Switzerland, India, Spain and USA. Her most recent book “Cultural Perspectives on Mental Wellbeing” has been well received."

http://aethos.org.uk/

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-r...-psychiatries/

Mental health

Knowledge frameworks in medicine and health

Dr. Natalie Tobert -

http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actu...-23-iss-3.html

Videos -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZSCEFicHj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M9EzsmrWLk

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Schizophrenia’s Tangled Roots

As an increasingly complex picture of schizophrenia emerges, researchers are recognizing that a more individualized and humane approach is needed to better understand and treat the condition.

https://www.sapiens.org/body/schizop...tangled-roots/

[Being]

There is Endless Polemical Debate within mental health areas

There are endless varieties of different groups & arguments / positions within mental health.

There is the primary / mainstream biomedical view - Biology - brain disorders.

The most popular alternative camp are those that take the sociological / environmental / traumagenic / relational / political view, with various flavours & combinations of anti / critical psychiatry opinions.

Then there is the whole psychogenic / psychology camp, also of many flavours.

Then there is the whole spiritual crisis / emergence / emergency camp, (with many non religious spirituality & pro religious sub divisions)

There are very diverse & various sub groupings & cross overs within these 4 main camps / positions, of various pro / anti / critical psychiatry persuasions. Along with various materialist / atheist & alternative perspectives.

Quite notable is the orthomolecular camp. (diet & nutrition).

[Scommstech]

It is a pity that conventional medicine doesn't know more about how a spiritual medium works.
Mediums regularly hear "voices" in their head, but they know how to control them and are able to switch them off as required.
Most schizophrenics have voices or similar but appear to have no control over them at all. Modern medicine seems to rely on mainly drug therapy to dampen the brains activity.
I don't know if ECT is still used but even this just scrambles the brains electrical circuits in the hope that once the brain had settled down the "voice" connection would be lost.

[Being]

Originally Posted by Scommstech

It is a pity that conventional medicine doesn't know more about how a spiritual medium works.
Mediums regularly hear "voices" in their head, but they know how to control them and are able to switch them off as required.
Most schizophrenics have voices or similar but appear to have no control over them at all. Modern medicine seems to rely on mainly drug therapy to dampen the brains activity.
I don't know if ECT is still used but even this just scrambles the brains electrical circuits in the hope that once the brain had settled down the "voice" connection would be lost.

There is a very broad range of stuff that comes under psychosis / schizophrenia. It isn't only voice hearing, in a lot of cases there isn't the symptom of voices.

Yes ECT has been making a come back, it's in very widespread use.

[Scommstech]

Originally Posted by Being

There is a very broad range of stuff that comes under psychosis / schizophrenia. It isn't only voice hearing, in a lot of cases there isn't the symptom of voices.

Yes ECT has been making a come back, it's in very widespread use.

To be honest "hearing" voices is just the broadly accepted term to describe how a medium works. It is sort of how the general public have come to accept it. The reality is that thoughts and emotions play just as important a part when a contact is made. Many mediums probably don't actually hear a voice as we know it and have to "interpret " the feelings that come through.
The fact is that thoughts that are not the recipients thoughts are in control of the recipient, very similar to being hypnotised. If the recipient is under the influence of a destructive energy the recipient is "made" to do things that normally they would not.
The medical profession would think that some one was "nuts" to suggest that a malign spirit was involved with schizophrenia but the more physics that is emerging, especially how quantum energy is working the more events like the Biblical miracles seem plausible and that would include stories like how Jesus ordered a malignant spirit to leave a persons body.
I have actually been there when a malignant energy was told to leave a person. The "energy" did leave, so I know possessions can happen.

[Being]

The mainstream society / system 'consensus reality' in which we live isn't non-medical, it operates primarily on the scientific materialist / biomedical paradigm. That is highly unlikely to ever change.

i am aware of all sides to this debate & all the polemics. i don't think it works to deny that that there is a biology to these conditions / experiences. Yes we can argue to what degree there is a biological weighting, & to what degree there are psychological, sociological & spiritual / transpersonal factors? But until that argument is either settled, or a genuinely integral / holistic model, understanding & approach is taken, then the same argument & polemics, the same agendas, & the same status quo will just continue, as it always has done.

i am totally bored & done with this endless & pointless polemical debate around it all.

[Scommstech]

Originally Posted by Being

The mainstream society / system 'consensus reality' in which we live isn't non-medical, it operates primarily on the scientific materialist / biomedical paradigm. That is highly unlikely to ever change.

i am aware of all sides to this debate & all the polemics. i don't think it works to deny that that there is a biology to these conditions / experiences. Yes we can argue to what degree there is a biological weighting, & to what degree there are psychological, sociological & spiritual / transpersonal factors? But until that argument is either settled, or a genuinely integral / holistic model, understanding & approach is taken, then the same argument & polemics, the same agendas, & the same status quo will just continue, as it always has done.

i am totally bored & done with this endless & pointless polemical debate around it all.

I must admit that I have not read all the posts regarding this thread so I can't comment on it being polemical or not but I do know that nothing gets achieved without some form of debate and exchange of ideas.
My two penny worth comes from being a nurse in what was the second largest mental hospital the UK having approximately 3000 beds. For the last 30 years studying amongst other things spiritualism, Quantum theory and researching the mental approach of the pioneers of thought healing.
I am certainly no expert if anyone can claim this title but I do know that the mind rules our body and not the other way round.

[Being]

Originally Posted by Scommstech

I must admit that I have not read all the posts regarding this thread so I can't comment on it being polemical or not but I do know that nothing gets achieved without some form of debate and exchange of ideas.
My two penny worth comes from being a nurse in what was the second largest mental hospital the UK having approximately 3000 beds. For the last 30 years studying amongst other things spiritualism, Quantum theory and researching the mental approach of the pioneers of thought healing.
I am certainly no expert if anyone can claim this title but I do know that the mind rules our body and not the other way round.

i take a genuinely integral / holistic view - integrated mind, body, soul, spirit & environment, & feel that what comes under mental health should be understood & addressed as such. i Neither agree with the pro biomedical, nor anti-psychiatry position. Some people, with more severe cases deserve proper care, support & understanding.

[Scommstech]

Originally Posted by Being

i take a genuinely integral / holistic view - integrated mind, body, soul, spirit & environment, & feel that what comes under mental health should be understood & addressed as such. i Neither agree with the pro biomedical, nor anti-psychiatry position. Some people, with more severe cases deserve proper care, support & understanding.

I quite agree. My brother, now sadly gone was schizophrenic. He was plagued with "voices" and only managed to have some sort of life due to the "dampening" medication he took daily.
Many cases of schizophrenia can be controlled by medication but I have never seen or heard of any genuine cases of schizophrenia being completely cured by medication alone. Even lobotomy, which was considered the last resort and practiced at the hospital that I worked at appeared to have limited success.
There have been cases of people using social drugs that have triggered off schizophrenia and after kicking the habit the schizophrenia has disappeared but I would not really class them as having a genuine schizophrenia problem.