Reincarnations Do we have a Choice ?

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Baldr44

You are way out of your league on this one. You really don't have any concept of what is really going on. It seems that due to a general disbelief of reincarnation and that we do have a choice on not only how but why we want to incarnate over and over. Up to and including what sexual aspect we desire. We can decide on a male or female experience. The three of them had been friends and males in a previous existence. Hence the use of he, him etc. But of course this is all nonsense to you as you have your own ideology. Free will, ain't it great. Again, as usual, if you can't see, taste, touch, feel or hear it, it doesn't exisit

"Again, as usual, if you can't see, taste, touch, feel or hear it, it doesn't exisit"

untrue and hyperbole. i just view such things differently than you do. i view Jane and her work wholisticly and multidimensions and parallel timelines more literally.

and btw ... you haven't clue enough about me to know what league i'm in.

some here are not giving internal queries the credit he deserves for his inquisitive nature, because it is leading him on the right track.

So what? no one needs to believe in channelings or anything else, the truth iswhat lays in the heart, and perspective changes everything. What is accurate from one level is broad brush and in some instances untrue from another level.

at one level of understanding electricity flows like water through electrical cables, from another level elctrons flow in one direction creating a backdraft almost drawing current in the opposite direction. both are correct, however you can not solve all problems from the first perspective thus further queries are required.

from the top of my head, (as there is a lot of comments on this thread),

Karma is a word, understand it is cause and effect, it relates to you as an individual not some supernatural get even clause. Karma in its most basic level is psychology of the soul. It is you and how you relate to the universe around you. your actions have reactions. other peoples actions cause reactions in you, which cause reactions in others and so it goes on the never ending wheel of karma. karma will continue until every sentient being chooses to stop reacting and start being.

manifestation. this is a complete deception, if you try and manifest anything it will never happen. no true spiritual teacher will ever tell you you can manifest anything, let alone a new specific incarnation. manifestation is like the electricity flowing through water analogy. from a very low level it is all very miraculous, from a practitioner level (so to speak) it is not what is attracted to you, it is what you are atracted to. What you are attracted to will be within reach through appropriate actions and reactions. you are not going to be a surgeon by being born as one. you become a surgeon by studying, passing exams in the top percentile and working hard. you will not do this any other way (incidently i may be wrong is the future surgeon the same person who is the scholar of hinduism budhism etc etc etc, because this should really be basics if that is the case)

linear reincarnation. there is no foundation on the subject of linear incarnation. incarnation takes place in a plane where time doesnt exist, or more appropriately a dimension of no time, therefore there is no linear reincarnations. there are many simultanious incarnations in a no time environment, it is only us that put timelines on events. so with this in mind, our multidimensional being will understand future incarnations as well as past (but view them as simultaneous events)

with simultineity in mind, then in a no time environment there is no reincarnation, merely incarnation of many aspects of the one multidimensional being. erik has one incarnation as erik which is his multidimensional being at the erik level. erik will not be back, because his simultaneous no time incarnations are underway. his multidimensional being will be here many times.

choice of reincarnation. like manifestation it is attraction but not what is attracted to you, what you are attracted to, but in a more fundamental level. at a reactionary level. you do not sit and say, oh id like to be a pop star and live in a big house. these things are human issues and of no relevance to spirit. ill spell it out, i hinted at this previously. on passing to spirit, you aill see a number of doorways, or sources of light (go to the light yada yada) the only sources you will see as atractive are those which are of your vibration, if your a scumbag your attractive light source will not be the same as a good and selfless persons. it is the doorway we choose that decides where and to whom we are incarnated. this in no way apportions career, or tests or anyother human claptrap, remember spirit could not care less what your career is or what type of watch you wear, it is concerned with the value of the soul. forget your human issues it does not work that way.

p.s. i have trained in many cultures and doctrines over very many years.

[Chrysaetos]

Karma isn't just mere cause and effect, it implies a supernatural system of morality.
The New Age interpretations tend to be very woolly and compatible with a liberal society (''you are a unique autonomous person''),
but that's not where karma was made up. Anyhow, it doesn't really get at the trouble of karma, i.e. why it even exists..

How would you know sentient beings are not ''being'' and just reacting?

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by LightBearer

some here are not giving internal queries the credit he deserves for his inquisitive nature, because it is leading him on the right track.

So what? no one needs to believe in channelings or anything else, the truth iswhat lays in the heart, and perspective changes everything. What is accurate from one level is broad brush and in some instances untrue from another level.

at one level of understanding electricity flows like water through electrical cables, from another level elctrons flow in one direction creating a backdraft almost drawing current in the opposite direction. both are correct, however you can not solve all problems from the first perspective thus further queries are required.

from the top of my head, (as there is a lot of comments on this thread),

Karma is a word, understand it is cause and effect, it relates to you as an individual not some supernatural get even clause. Karma in its most basic level is psychology of the soul. It is you and how you relate to the universe around you. your actions have reactions. other peoples actions cause reactions in you, which cause reactions in others and so it goes on the never ending wheel of karma. karma will continue until every sentient being chooses to stop reacting and start being.

manifestation. this is a complete deception, if you try and manifest anything it will never happen. no true spiritual teacher will ever tell you you can manifest anything, let alone a new specific incarnation. manifestation is like the electricity flowing through water analogy. from a very low level it is all very miraculous, from a practitioner level (so to speak) it is not what is attracted to you, it is what you are atracted to. What you are attracted to will be within reach through appropriate actions and reactions. you are not going to be a surgeon by being born as one. you become a surgeon by studying, passing exams in the top percentile and working hard. you will not do this any other way (incidently i may be wrong is the future surgeon the same person who is the scholar of hinduism budhism etc etc etc, because this should really be basics if that is the case)

linear reincarnation. there is no foundation on the subject of linear incarnation. incarnation takes place in a plane where time doesnt exist, or more appropriately a dimension of no time, therefore there is no linear reincarnations. there are many simultanious incarnations in a no time environment, it is only us that put timelines on events. so with this in mind, our multidimensional being will understand future incarnations as well as past (but view them as simultaneous events)

with simultineity in mind, then in a no time environment there is no reincarnation, merely incarnation of many aspects of the one multidimensional being. erik has one incarnation as erik which is his multidimensional being at the erik level. erik will not be back, because his simultaneous no time incarnations are underway. his multidimensional being will be here many times.

choice of reincarnation. like manifestation it is attraction but not what is attracted to you, what you are attracted to, but in a more fundamental level. at a reactionary level. you do not sit and say, oh id like to be a pop star and live in a big house. these things are human issues and of no relevance to spirit. ill spell it out, i hinted at this previously. on passing to spirit, you aill see a number of doorways, or sources of light (go to the light yada yada) the only sources you will see as atractive are those which are of your vibration, if your a scumbag your attractive light source will not be the same as a good and selfless persons. it is the doorway we choose that decides where and to whom we are incarnated. this in no way apportions career, or tests or anyother human claptrap, remember spirit could not care less what your career is or what type of watch you wear, it is concerned with the value of the soul. forget your human issues it does not work that way.

p.s. i have trained in many cultures and doctrines over very many years.

excellent summary, concisely put. thank you.

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

Karma isn't just mere cause and effect, it implies a supernatural system of morality.
The New Age interpretations tend to be very woolly and compatible with a liberal society (''you are a unique autonomous person''),
but that's not where karma was made up. Anyhow, it doesn't really get at the trouble of karma, i.e. why it even exists..

How would you know sentient beings are not ''being'' and just reacting?

and the system doesn't even make sense. eat a hamburger come back as a cow to experience becoming hamburger. how does that alleviate the sad living conditions of cows?

[Shabda]

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

and the system doesn't even make sense. eat a hamburger come back as a cow to experience becoming hamburger. how does that alleviate the sad living conditions of cows?

who said that eating a hamburger was a karmic action??

[GoddessLove]

Hi Lynn...

I hope we have a choice.

If so, I'm definitely NOT coming back to this place again:):):):):)

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Shabda

who said that eating a hamburger was a karmic action??

um ... the Hindus from whose religion the concept of karma arises.

Originally Posted by LightBearer

some here are not giving internal queries the credit he deserves for his inquisitive nature, because it is leading him on the right track.

So what? no one needs to believe in channelings or anything else, the truth iswhat lays in the heart, and perspective changes everything. What is accurate from one level is broad brush and in some instances untrue from another level.

at one level of understanding electricity flows like water through electrical cables, from another level elctrons flow in one direction creating a backdraft almost drawing current in the opposite direction. both are correct, however you can not solve all problems from the first perspective thus further queries are required.

from the top of my head, (as there is a lot of comments on this thread),

Karma is a word, understand it is cause and effect, it relates to you as an individual not some supernatural get even clause. Karma in its most basic level is psychology of the soul. It is you and how you relate to the universe around you. your actions have reactions. other peoples actions cause reactions in you, which cause reactions in others and so it goes on the never ending wheel of karma. karma will continue until every sentient being chooses to stop reacting and start being.

manifestation. this is a complete deception, if you try and manifest anything it will never happen. no true spiritual teacher will ever tell you you can manifest anything, let alone a new specific incarnation. manifestation is like the electricity flowing through water analogy. from a very low level it is all very miraculous, from a practitioner level (so to speak) it is not what is attracted to you, it is what you are atracted to. What you are attracted to will be within reach through appropriate actions and reactions. you are not going to be a surgeon by being born as one. you become a surgeon by studying, passing exams in the top percentile and working hard. you will not do this any other way (incidently i may be wrong is the future surgeon the same person who is the scholar of hinduism budhism etc etc etc, because this should really be basics if that is the case)

linear reincarnation. there is no foundation on the subject of linear incarnation. incarnation takes place in a plane where time doesnt exist, or more appropriately a dimension of no time, therefore there is no linear reincarnations. there are many simultanious incarnations in a no time environment, it is only us that put timelines on events. so with this in mind, our multidimensional being will understand future incarnations as well as past (but view them as simultaneous events)

with simultineity in mind, then in a no time environment there is no reincarnation, merely incarnation of many aspects of the one multidimensional being. erik has one incarnation as erik which is his multidimensional being at the erik level. erik will not be back, because his simultaneous no time incarnations are underway. his multidimensional being will be here many times.

choice of reincarnation. like manifestation it is attraction but not what is attracted to you, what you are attracted to, but in a more fundamental level. at a reactionary level. you do not sit and say, oh id like to be a pop star and live in a big house. these things are human issues and of no relevance to spirit. ill spell it out, i hinted at this previously. on passing to spirit, you aill see a number of doorways, or sources of light (go to the light yada yada) the only sources you will see as atractive are those which are of your vibration, if your a scumbag your attractive light source will not be the same as a good and selfless persons. it is the doorway we choose that decides where and to whom we are incarnated. this in no way apportions career, or tests or anyother human claptrap, remember spirit could not care less what your career is or what type of watch you wear, it is concerned with the value of the soul. forget your human issues it does not work that way.

p.s. i have trained in many cultures and doctrines over very many years.

From what you are saying then, there are no lightworkers. Since there is no ability to come into this existence as anything in particular. Actually it is indeed what you place into your subconscious with intent that puts you into position for what you chose. If there is negative karma, then that must be delt with on the plane from which it arose. Afterwards you can be what you've decided to be. One may come here to clear up some bad karma.

We have choices. There are many who chose to come here as leaders, prophets, teachers and helpers (and yes light workers)
Perhaps you could read http://dragonofdrama.com/why_3d and give that some thought.

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Baldr44

From what you are saying then, there are no lightworkers. Since there is no ability to come into this existence as anything in particular. Actually it is indeed what you place into your subconscious with intent that puts you into position for what you chose. If there is negative karma, then that must be delt with on the plane from which it arose. Afterwards you can be what you've decided to be. One may come here to clear up some bad karma.

We have choices. There are many who chose to come here as leaders, prophets, teachers and helpers (and yes light workers)
Perhaps you could read http://dragonofdrama.com/why_3d and give that some thought.

nature manifests without "intent". living things grow and evolve spontaneously under the duress of the environment from which they spring. i fail to understand why humans would be any different than the rest of nature. anything you chose to do and be is natural ... not supernatural. whatever evolving you do is dependent on your environment (external and internal) and the pressures that environment puts on you.