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Old 10-05-2015, 08:24 AM
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What is "complex intellectual temperament". I found the combination interesting.
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:47 AM
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What is "complex intellectual temperament". I found the combination interesting.

The greater the intellectual complexity, especially absorption in ideas and an incessant thought process, the greater the inability to connect with life and nature.

As Allan Watts stated, " A person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts. So he loses touch with reality, and lives in a world of illusion."

And greater the inability to connect with life and nature, the greater the need for a Guru .
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Old 10-05-2015, 12:18 PM
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Allan Watts, the alcoholic, talking about staying in touch with reality. What was his concept of the nature of reality?

But what is absorption in ideas? Is Ekhart Tolle absorbed in ideas?
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Old 10-05-2015, 12:37 PM
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Allan Watts, the alcoholic, talking about staying in touch with reality. What was his concept of the nature of reality?

Alan Watts was a philosopher and scholar. To disparage him as an alcholic because he drank alcohol to some excess in his later years, without taking into account his acclaimed lectures and scholarly works, amounts to character assassination and prejudice.


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But what is absorption in ideas? Is Ekhart Tolle absorbed in ideas?

It just means being absorbed in your own mental world, cut off from reality. Incessant thought results in this.

Eckhart Tolle is in a state of perpetual no-mind or awareness , pure consciousness without thought.
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Old 10-05-2015, 12:55 PM
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[quote=Free1]Allan Watts, the alcoholic, talking about staying in touch with reality. What was his concept of the nature of reality?

But what is absorption in ideas? Is Ekhart Tolle absorbed in ideas?[/

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At least Alan owned up to his imperfections which many people can't, he was a human being after all, and none of us on planet earth are perfect.
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Old 10-05-2015, 05:14 PM
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Allan Watts, the alcoholic, talking about staying in touch with reality. What was his concept of the nature of reality?

There's definitely an irony in that we expect Guru' to not be 'human' and expect them to display perfection in everything and fault them when we discover they are indeed human.

There are numerous Guru's from India who have gotten themselves in endless troubles in the West for having lots of girlfriends/relationship and enjoying sex. Apparently Western Puritanism still embedded in our psychi has major issues with Guru's having too much fun. lol

Yet my own spirit has shown me that sharing energy and building it by the act of physical love is one of the great pleasures of being in body and it harkens back to the Big Bang and how exploding energy slows, cools and turns to solid matter and the multi-verse was birthed.

So in judging others we can easily miss higher precepts and potential for further growth because we shut doors and block of inroads to further understanding. Jesus said something like "Remove the plank from thins own eye before pulling the splinter from they brothers."
When we catch that moment of judgment we can grab it and explore it and find out what belief system is inside us that isn't serving us in love but is actually creating division between us and others.
Interestingly enough the more we get right with ourselves the less judgment we feel in others actions and the more allowing and accepting we feel. It's part of moving into Unconditional Love and into Brotherhood and Fellowship with all humanity, or as New Ages like to say (myself included :) ) it increases our vibrational and opens up the world of miracles and synchronicity.

Anyways...Cheeers to you
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Old 10-05-2015, 05:49 PM
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Personally I do not hold that gurus must be perfect in this sense, and I do not hold that they have imperfection as everyone else. Watts maybe was a great honest man. (but then there was something about his marriage(s?) and an extramarital affair, as termed on wikipedia.)

Did Jesus show tendencies equivalent to alcoholism? Was he a human like the rest of us? (I really do not know)

I believe in division, and tolerance. I do not want to be in non-division with everyone, even though at one level I think realized people are in non-division, but at the surface-level, they may be in division.
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Old 10-05-2015, 06:17 PM
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Say I am a guru, and educated - what comes first? - then I can construct my teaching of "division". Division is the essence of the truth. We are all in division. And because of my education, I would write a new age book, and make a reference to biology (before selectively referring to every other scientific field), and say that even cells divide, and without division there can be no life. My readers will of course "understand" exactly what I mean, or rather pick up the view that the truth is division.
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:43 AM
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Personally I do not hold that gurus must be perfect in this sense, and I do not hold that they have imperfection as everyone else. Watts maybe was a great honest man. (but then there was something about his marriage(s?) and an extramarital affair, as termed on wikipedia.)

Did Jesus show tendencies equivalent to alcoholism? Was he a human like the rest of us? (I really do not know)

I believe in division, and tolerance. I do not want to be in non-division with everyone, even though at one level I think realized people are in non-division, but at the surface-level, they may be in division.
While the Bible may have painted Jesus as someone who transcended the human condition that isn't the case. He was angered by the money-makers in the temple and towards the end lost his faith completely, he felt God had forsaken him. Regardless of how we put the gurus on a pedestal they're still as human as everyone else that's walking around on the planet and we should remember that ourselves. Judging Allan Watts or anyone else in a similar situation is only shooting the messenger that might well be carrying an important message.

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And greater the inability to connect with life and nature, the greater the need for a Guru .

Which about says it all. The question of gurus and their education isn't the right question as I see it, the question is why do we consider them gurus and what are we really looking for? What's missing inside us?
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Old 11-05-2015, 04:28 PM
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While the Bible may have painted Jesus as someone who transcended the human condition that isn't the case. He was angered by the money-makers in the temple and towards the end lost his faith completely, he felt God had forsaken him. Regardless of how we put the gurus on a pedestal they're still as human as everyone else that's walking around on the planet and we should remember that ourselves. Judging Allan Watts or anyone else in a similar situation is only shooting the messenger that might well be carrying an important message.

Just because a guru shows emotion it does not mean that are attached to it. Sometimes a guru will act in a certain way to get the students attention.


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Which about says it all. The question of gurus and their education isn't the right question as I see it, the question is why do we consider them gurus and what are we really looking for? What's missing inside us?

The main thing a guru does is provide space to allow for you to let go of your attachments. The techniques are secondary or not even needed in some ways.
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