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Old 25-04-2020, 02:46 PM
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It is what is not 'said' here that often make this kind of smooth-talk a 'devilish' seduction (for some), methinks. 'Devilish' in the sense of "eat of this apple and you will become 'as' 'God' - immortal, etc." as story-dramatized in the first chapter of the Book of Genesis.

What is not said: Lovers must actively engage in loving (which means actually caring for) others, not just giving them candy-sweet sayings and becoming part of a 'popular' movement thereby (because 'kids' love sweets). 'God' is a 'testy' fella!

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"Eat of this apple" did not happen. The Bible never said what was eaten was an apple. People have assumed it was an apple, but it wasn't.

That is one of the problems, not with the Bible, but with people. They assume it says this and it says that when in many cases the Bible does not say that.
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Old 25-04-2020, 04:32 PM
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"Eat of this apple" did not happen. The Bible never said what was eaten was an apple. People have assumed it was an apple, but it wasn't.

That is one of the problems, not with the Bible, but with people. They assume it says this and it says that when in many cases the Bible does not say that.
It's just an allegory, a story meant to depict significant truth, John.

In my version of the Bible, it is referenced as a 'fruit'. Does that alter the meaning/significance of the story in your eyes, John. If not, why did you make such big 'problem' deal out of it?
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Old 26-04-2020, 11:47 AM
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“What do I mean when I say, "Keep your mind on yourself?" Your real Self is your heart, not your human heart, but your spiritual heart. Your heart is God. Keep your mind stayed on God in your heart. If you want to use your imagination to begin with, you can image a sphere of white light in your heart on the right side of your chest, your spiritual heart. And allow all your thoughts to merge into your heart.”

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Old 26-04-2020, 12:34 PM
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The statements ascribed to Adams in the initial post and throughout, about what to do and how to be, have to do with Traditional practise rather than Neo Advaita, because those things are already Oneness manifest so no increase in connection can possible be achieved by being or doing them. So his advise to be and do those things is not just misleading but huge unnecessary obstacles placed before the seeker.
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Old 26-04-2020, 12:41 PM
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“As long as you remain separated from God and try to understand him, he cannot be understood. There is no separation between you and God. Lover and beloved are one. You, yourself are the way. You are God.”

Meher Baba
Wonderful quote !

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Old 26-04-2020, 04:21 PM
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principle vs simple revelation

In spirituality after years of penance seeker comes to a stage where
he avers
Quote:
Aham Brahmasmi (sanskrit meaning I am God) . I smaller God (Son , paygambar , saint )
and universal/cosmic consicuous / super soul is is bigger god
(Father,Brahman , Allah , christ consciousness , yogeshwar krishna).

This is the principle .The principle is such a thing that remains
valid in all situations 24X7 365/6 days at any place with any race.

In contextual situations people may say only part of the principle
statement quoting the principle (we may call pseudo truth , simple revelation ).
And in some contextual places that may be approariate also skipping details
either that is not required for the immediate purpose or that implicit
in the minds of others.

For example Newton's law of universal gravitation is usually stated
that every particle attracts every other particle in the universe with a force
which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional
to the square of the distance between their centers. When you explain it to
small child (5-6 yrs) that all things fall from higher place to lower place (so
that he does not take undue risks at heights and is safe in general),this simple
statement of gravity (though incomplete and correct partially) is sufficient for the purpose.
Onus of simple revelation not causing damage to others fairly lies on the people
using simple revelation to guide others.

Statements that I am God reflects the truth in the moment of meditation. In the context of
public fora like this it may become irrelevant & incomplete in view of following.

1. meditation is hardly half an hour (people may take more hours which be more preparation).
Then what about other times / other places. How this rule guides in activity in real life.

2. Repeated use of such statement without acknowledging the penance one has to for it, undermines
God and His importance /respect in the eyes of readers who may be totally new to spirituality.
New seekers may feel keep talking love enabled life and do whatever you feel like in life is ok .
And if any disgrace comes to God and His true people or if any new reader/seeker suffers damage
reading / mis-interpreting /misjudging our simple revelation, we too share the blame & responsibility
for the same in the eyes of God .

3. Such statements talks of end result without really talking about the journey / process
one should undergo. If you talk about success of material science in Europe/USA/China
and many other countries , people have talked and focussed in inputs and processes more
than the output. In their success they were process focussed . And spirituality is no different .
Every scripture talks of processes (meditation good action etc) and inputs (qualities ).
Repeated use of end result without focus on inputs and processes we are not helping any
one (including ourselves and God within us).

4. God is the omni-potent , omni-scient , omni present king of universe . So anybody
and everybody may want to build relation with Him . So if such revelations are
without any realization just to get some brownie points / impression / popularity on
this public forum , in-dwelling God knows it and He does not like the mixing of hidden
material objectives in activities supposedly spiritual.

Members of this forum are great and I have trust in them and their in-dwelling God. And
I leave the decision on this to their value discretion and judgement.

In no way anything of this is ajudgement on any members or any past celebrity/ person.
It's just a point I feel we can and should take care of.
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Old 26-04-2020, 10:27 PM
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In spirituality after years of penance seeker comes to a stage where
he avers This is the principle .The principle is such a thing that remains
valid in all situations 24X7 365/6 days at any place with any race.

For example Newton's law of universal gravitation is usually stated
that every particle attracts every other particle in the universe with a force
which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional
to the square of the distance between their centers. When you explain it to
small child (5-6 yrs) that all things fall from higher place to lower place (so
that he does not take undue risks at heights and is safe in general),this simple
statement of gravity (though incomplete and correct partially) is sufficient for the purpose.

Journey/process, or your god, may not work for all seekers. There is room for all approaches to be considered in the search.
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Old 27-04-2020, 01:52 PM
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Journey/process, or your god, may not work for all seekers. There is room for all approaches to be considered in the search.
There is ample scope for individuality & Free will in spirituality. Free will is a gift of God to everybody without exception along with 'Conditions apply'. And I am very happy u are enjoying this gift of God.
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Old 27-04-2020, 03:52 PM
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[quote=HITESH SHAH]There is ample scope for individuality & Free will in spirituality. Free will is a gift of God to everybody without exception along with 'Conditions apply'. And I am very happy u are enjoying this gift of God.[/QUOTEar that]

Pleased to hear that. Thanks.
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Old 27-04-2020, 04:16 PM
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Journey/process, or your god, may not work for all seekers. There is room for all approaches to be considered in the search.
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There is ample scope for individuality & Free will in spirituality. Free will is a gift of God to everybody without exception along with 'Conditions apply'. And I am very happy u are enjoying this gift of God.
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Pleased to hear that. Thanks.

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