Christianity, Christ and the Nazis

[Explorer21]

In the book "The Spear of Destiny" (1973) by Trevor Ravenscroft, it says, "It is a common error to believe that the powers of evil do not themselves recognise the divinity of Christ. The very reverse is the truth. Goethe, well aware that this is so, illustrated the true relationship between Good and Evil in the Prologue to "Faust," in which he stages a dramatic meeting and discussion between the Lord and the Devil.
Goethe's Mephistopheles, an admixture of both Lucifer and Ahriman because the poet was unable to distinguish between these two different types of evil, grudgingly admits himself to be a subservient member of God's retinue with a special task within it to tempt man to oppose the divine order in the world.
It is in this sense that the innermost circle of Nazidom were self-confessed satanists. These men, who were dedicated to the service of evil, were very far removed from the lukewarm congregations of the Christian churches who are barely able to convince themselves of the reality of anything other than a material existence.
Adolf Hitler recognised the divinity of Christ with the same inner certainty characteristic of medieval saints like Francis of Assisi. But Hitler hated Christ and felt only scorn and contempt for all Christian aims and ideals.
The Nazi Party rightly scorned the Christian churches---both Catholic and Reform Churches---for their insistence that Christianity is superior to all other religions because it was entirely free from all Mythology. They correctly assessed that the strictured and unimaginative theology of contemporary Churchmen, dominated by a pathetic mixture of cartesian intellect and superstitious faith in dogma, was totally incapable of comprehending how the Christianity of the (Holy) Grail and the Revelation is the very climax and fulfilment of all mythology."

[Starflower]

Explorer21, this is something I have never given any thought to. It makes sense to me that the Nazi party scorned the beliefs of Christianity, yet used the devotion of righteousness to amass a consensus to their own agenda only.
This is quite visible in my country where Evangelicals who are "warriors of their faith", in the name of certain ideals they hold such as the "pro-life, anti-choice movement" are being mobilized to support very specific policies. The people these 'spiritual warriors' throw their support behind are not held accountable at all for shared moral values. It's quite inscrutable and reminds me of how good people can be led by leaders to support things their religion does not teach in the name of one thing it teaches.

You post very unusual and thought-provoking material!

[Explorer21]

Originally Posted by Starflower

Explorer21, this is something I have never given any thought to. It makes sense to me that the Nazi party scorned the beliefs of Christianity, yet used the devotion of righteousness to amass a consensus to their own agenda only.
This is quite visible in my country where Evangelicals who are "warriors of their faith", in the name of certain ideals they hold such as the "pro-life, anti-choice movement" are being mobilized to support very specific policies. The people these 'spiritual warriors' throw their support behind are not held accountable at all for shared moral values. It's quite inscrutable and reminds me of how good people can be led by leaders to support things their religion does not teach in the name of one thing it teaches.

You post very unusual and thought-provoking material!

Starflower, thanks for your thoughtful comments. You insightfully reveal the close parallels between the way the present US rulership manipulates fanatical Evangelicals and the way the Nazis did the same thing.

[Baile]

It could be helpful in some way to understand that evil is just another aspect of the great and wondrous cosmic story of humanity's spiritual evolution. Judas was a kind of saint in his own way. His actions brought about the Christ-Jesus event, which would not have taken place otherwise. Judas sacrificed himself in some ways, sacrified his incarnation. Evil doesn't seem as important -- or scary -- a proposition when viewing things from other, broader perspectives.

I suppose I say this so that we don't get too hung up on Nazis and evil specifically (or on the "scornful and pathetic" Christian church as was implied), so as not to end up in the sort of typical closed dialogue that often happens with such topics.

[Starflower]

Originally Posted by Baile

It could be helpful in some way to understand that evil is just another aspect of the great and wondrous cosmic story of humanity's spiritual evolution. Judas was a kind of saint in his own way. His actions brought about the Christ-Jesus event, which would not have taken place otherwise. Judas sacrificed himself in some ways, sacrified his incarnation. Evil doesn't seem as important -- or scary -- a proposition when viewing things from other, broader perspectives.

I suppose I say this so that we don't get too hung up on Nazis and evil specifically (or on the "scornful and pathetic" Christian church as was implied), so as not to end up in the sort of typical closed dialogue that often happens with such topics.

Well said, Baile. The beauty of truth is that it is always whole and it is up to us to keep realizing it that way through expanding our awareness into the multidimensional arena where we act as One in many forms.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Starflower

The beauty of truth is that it is always whole and it is up to us to keep realizing it that way through expanding our awareness into the multidimensional arena where we act as One in many forms.

Yes thank you, that is a wonderful way of putting it Starflower. The beauty of truth is that it is always whole... that is a magnificent and magical insight. And our joyful, loving, ever-expanding awareness.